2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Man, entitled prospects that want a gifted roster spot....

Go earn it, if you're as good as you think you are it shouldn't be an issue.

And if teams won’t gift them a spot trade the prospect to a team that will. I guess if no team will gift him a spot he probably has to play out his junior and senior year and then sign somewhere as a free agent.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I don't see where Pepsi said the signing team would get the prospect ‘right then’.



He could have done that in any case.



No, he doesn't, because the team that drafts him still has an exclusive two- or four-year window to sign him before anyone else can poach him.

The ONLY thing Pepsi is proposing to change is to give teams compensation – not to let drafted players jump ship immediately. That would be absurd, and defeat the entire idea of the draft.

If I misunderstood his idea, my bad. I stand corrected.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Does 28 pick get McGroarty? Guessing not. I agree though, not many teams going to guarantee a spot that will offer more.

I actually wondered that myself, and if so- I would be all over that. I think they will get a number of awesome offers of young NHLers ready to challenge for roster spots though.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I'm thinking good prospects are going to refuse ELCs from teams where they don't want to go, knowing full well that a more preferable team to them will offer them a deal and happily pay the equivalent draft pick because not only do they get the prospect right then who is further along, but they get one that they know is already on a path to success.

For instance, with your proposed idea Michkov probably tells the Flyers thanks but no thanks because he knows as a "free agent" a team he more prefers will certainly offer him a contract. The Rangers come along and offer him a ELC, he signs because now he gets to jump straight to the NHL and be on the Presidents trophy winning team. The Rangers get the guy taken 7th overall last year and the Flyers get compensation from the Rangers? Well they have the 30th overall pick in 2024. That sounds like a great deal for the Flyers lol

That kind of scenario would play out year after year and likely multiple times per year, so yeah....disastrous IMO

Sorry, why would that happen if it’s not already happening?

You’re describing something that could happen right now and saying it’ll actually happen more if you make it more difficult to happen at all.

Maybe you’re just not understanding the way the current situation works so you think that’s somehow worse?

EDIT: never mind I missed your last post, all good

[Royle9]

Fox said the same thing he’s saying when he stiffed the Flames.. “doesn’t see enough room for a spot, too much depth”
It’s what these US kids are trained to say by their advisors.

They usually don’t come out and say “screw Winnipeg, who wants to play there am I right?” They try to politely play it off like they’d love to sign but they just don’t see a path to the NHL.

If he wanted to sign and he was ready, the Jets would make room.
I’d wager my left nut he wants a higher profile US market.

[metroneck]

Does anyone know if a college player chooses to do the 4 year, and becomes a free agent, can they only sign an ELC, and once that ELC is done, are they an RFA, or UFA?

And, no, not asking for a ‘Friend’…

[Ped]

You're RFA until age 27 or 7 years of service, whichever comes first.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by metroneck

Does anyone know if a college player chooses to do the 4 year, and becomes a free agent, can they only sign an ELC, and once that ELC is done, are they an RFA, or UFA?

Yes, they can only sign an ELC.

It will most-likely be a 2 year deal if the player was drafted at 18 and played 4 years in the NCAA (which would make his signing age 22). If his signing age happens to be 24, it would only be a 1 year ELC.

Because he could only sign such a deal after August 15, there would not be an option for him to burn a year of his ELC like many late-season college signings do.

Even though he'd be signing his ELC as a UFA, once the deal expires, he would be an RFA for his second contract (and any subsequent contracts signed before he is 27).

[ComixZone]

This is going to be an awesome week of hockey.

Stanley Cup Finals Game 7!
NHL Entry Draft!
Insiders hinting at the fact that there are other trades in the works around the league.
NHL Free Agency is a week from tomorrow!

This'll be fun!

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Fox said the same thing he’s saying when he stiffed the Flames.. “doesn’t see enough room for a spot, too much depth”
It’s what these US kids are trained to say by their advisors.

They usually don’t come out and say “screw Winnipeg, who wants to play there am I right?” They try to politely play it off like they’d love to sign but they just don’t see a path to the NHL.

If he wanted to sign and he was ready, the Jets would make room.
I’d wager my left nut he wants a higher profile US market.

Erixon said exactly the same thing to Feaster and Conroy back in the day, but then continued to move the goalposts after they promise him playing time.


I think Flames - due to them rebuilding - are one of those teams that could offer McGroarty a spot. However, it is pretty damn crowded already, but I do think that some trades are going to happen to make some room.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Erixon said exactly the same thing to Feaster and Conroy back in the day, but then continued to move the goalposts after they promise him playing time.


I think Flames - due to them rebuilding - are one of those teams that could offer McGroarty a spot. However, it is pretty damn crowded already, but I do think that some trades are going to happen to make some room.

Yep another good example. Fortunately it backfired on him and he went quietly into irrelevance.

[Dan403]

F*** Tom Erixon and F*** Tom Fox

[Ped]

San Jose traded former 1st rounder (and alleged d-bag) Ozzy Wiezblatt to Nashville for Egor Afanasyev. He so far looks like a bust, and looks like last year he was loaned to Nashville's farm team anyway, so obviously wasn't in SJ's plans.

[Poster]

Originally Posted by Royle9

They really do need to eliminate this loop hole.
It’s a shame any team loses their 1st round pick because the kid doesn’t want to play for the team that selected them.

They can sugar coat it all they want and come up with an excuse like Fox did, it’s just that.. a bull#### excuse to go wherever they want with no recourse.

Either the kids rights are retained and they have no choice, or they have to renter the draft and they can’t do it again.

They need to close the loophole where a team drafts a kid and then they don’t sign him. Tie up his rights for 2 years and then just toss him away.

Right?

Oh, it’s only 1 side that should have that right?

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Ped

San Jose traded former 1st rounder (and alleged d-bag) Ozzy Wiezblatt to Nashville for Egor Afanasyev. He so far looks like a bust, and looks like last year he was loaned to Nashville's farm team anyway, so obviously wasn't in SJ's plans.

Honestly curious what's been alleged about Ozzy. Did a quick search but couldn't find anything.

Just know he has an awesome family story.

[Ped]

It was his brother, but I thought I remembered people saying he was were there too. But I could be wrong.


https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/justice-p...rest-1.5239513

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by JTech780

The college loop hole thing is way overblown, it isn’t a problem. In order for McGroarty to go to free agency he needs to play 2 more seasons of college hockey. Thats two more seasons before he can sign his ELC. Two more seasons he risks an injury.

Players who are drafted out of the CHL don’t have to sign with the team who drafted them. They just have to re-enter the draft after two years, they don’t have to sign with the team that drafts them the 2nd time either and then they become free agents. Do we have to close that loop hole too?

Also, if a player is highly rated like McGroarty as example, if he waits 4 years he has lost out on a possible $8-10M (ELC and bonuses) to then sign for the same ELC 4 years later. If he signed with his first team he would have that money in the bank and be closer to FA. He will never make up the money he originally left on the table.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Poster

They need to close the loophole where a team drafts a kid and then they don’t sign him. Tie up his rights for 2 years and then just toss him away.

Right?

Oh, it’s only 1 side that should have that right?

lol what are you so angry about?

Kids aren’t signed all the time because they aren’t good enough, not because a team held a skilled player out of the league and then 2 years later they disappear.

Show me a case where a legit prospect was purposely blocked by the team that drafted him and refused to sign him, causing him to miss an entire career in the nhl because of it.

[Poster]

Originally Posted by Royle9

lol what are you so angry about?

Kids aren’t signed all the time because they aren’t good enough, not because a team held a skilled player out of the league and then 2 years later they disappear.

Show me a case where a legit prospect was purposely blocked by the team that drafted him and refused to sign him, causing him to miss an entire career in the nhl because of it.

So teams can say no to a player but a player can’t say no to a team?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Poster

So teams can say no to a player but a player can’t say no to a team?

That's exactly how it works, yes. Otherwise the whole draft is pointless. Once a player becomes a free agent he can say no as much as he wants.