2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Funkhouser]

NCAA players should have the right not to sign w the team that drafts them…
BUT I would like to see them forced to re-enter the draft. This is the rule I would like to see (similar to CHL)

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Ugh.. more college bias towards Canadian markets!
Let me guess… NYR fan?

Nothing to see here. Just the price of doing business. It's unfair to expect these kids to go where they are drafted if they really, really, really don't want to.

[mile]

He’s from Nebraska and his dad is Canadian. Not sure if it’s location or if he just wants opportunity

[Royle9]

They really do need to eliminate this loop hole.
It’s a shame any team loses their 1st round pick because the kid doesn’t want to play for the team that selected them.

They can sugar coat it all they want and come up with an excuse like Fox did, it’s just that.. a bull#### excuse to go wherever they want with no recourse.

Either the kids rights are retained and they have no choice, or they have to renter the draft and they can’t do it again.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Royle9

They really do need to eliminate this loop hole.
It’s a shame any team loses their 1st round pick because the kid doesn’t want to play for the team that selected them.

They can sugar coat it all they want and come up with an excuse like Fox did, it’s just that.. a bull#### excuse to go wherever they want with no recourse.

Either the kids rights are retained and they have no choice, or they have to renter the draft and they can’t do it again.

I think a situation where the drafting team gets compensated by the signing team makes sense.

If you draft a player in the first round who decides not to sign with you (and you’ve offered them at a minimum a standard ELC), then the team that does sign them has to send an equivalent draft pick as compensation (in the next two or three drafts, let’s say).

So, the player is welcome to decline an ELC and hit free agency, but the team that signs him has to be willing to replace the draft pick. Drafted in the first? Send over a first. The drafting team retains the rights to the player so long as they have a contract offer on the table.

It wouldn’t be perfect as you might draft a guy at 14 and get a pick at 27 as compensation, but better than nothing.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think a situation where the drafting team gets compensated by the signing team makes sense.

If you draft a player in the first round who decides not to sign with you (and you’ve offered them at a minimum a standard ELC), then the team that does sign them has to send an equivalent draft pick as compensation (in the next two or three drafts, let’s say).

So, the player is welcome to decline an ELC and hit free agency, but the team that signs him has to be willing to replace the draft pick. Drafted in the first? Send over a first. The drafting team retains the rights to the player so long as they have a contract offer on the table.

It wouldn’t be perfect as you might draft a guy at 14 and get a pick at 27 as compensation, but better than nothing.

It's hard to find a solution that doesn't have cracks in it, but this one seems disastrous to me. The only players that would do this would be the really good ones that have a higher chance of success, and you just know it would be a select group of the usual teams who would benefit from it every time it happened.

There won't be any future American superstars refusing to sign with NYR/BOS/CHI/SUNBELT TEAM and choosing to sign with CGY/WIN/OTT/ETC..

Sign your damn ELC and put your time in with the team that drafted you, build your value and then if you still want to leave then they can trade you when you actually have proven NHL value and can return the team that drafted you an equally aged/valued player or multiple picks/prospects.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

It's hard to find a solution that doesn't have cracks in it, but this one seems disastrous to me. The only players that would do this would be the really good ones that have a higher chance of success, and you just know it would be a select group of the usual teams who would benefit from it every time it happened.

There won't be any future American superstars refusing to sign with NYR/BOS/CHI/SUNBELT TEAM and choosing to sign with CGY/WIN/OTT/ETC..

Sign your damn ELC and put your time in with the team that drafted you, build your value and then if you still want to leave then they can trade you when you actually have proven NHL value and can return the team that drafted you an equally aged/valued player or multiple picks/prospects.

They need to force the teams to sign all their draft picks too. Get rid of the 50 contract max. Too many kids put in the effort, get drafted and then do not get a contract. Teams have to offer all draft picks contracts and draft picks can only sign with the teams they draft them for X years. Put in standardized contracts and bonuses for each round of the draft .

[Roof-Daddy]

There is no solution that will make everyone happy and they will just leave things as they are because it doesn't smack anyone in the face but the fans of small market CDN teams for the most part, and we are gluttons for punishment and just keep coming back for more.

You don't see any Cale Makar's refusing to sign in the US and forcing their way into the Flames org to win Norris trophies, but there will always be Adam Foxes forcing their way out of Calgary and onto the NYR to win Norris trophies.

[Icon]

The only real answer is the Winnipegs and Calgarys of the league just shouldn't draft American college kids. It sucks, but just avoid the problem, draft the next guy on the list.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Icon

The only real answer is the Winnipegs and Calgarys of the league just shouldn't draft American college kids. It sucks, but just avoid the problem, draft the next guy on the list.

Yes, Emil Molin come on down.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

It's hard to find a solution that doesn't have cracks in it, but this one seems disastrous to me. The only players that would do this would be the really good ones that have a higher chance of success, and you just know it would be a select group of the usual teams who would benefit from it every time it happened.

There won't be any future American superstars refusing to sign with NYR/BOS/CHI/SUNBELT TEAM and choosing to sign with CGY/WIN/OTT/ETC..

Sign your damn ELC and put your time in with the team that drafted you, build your value and then if you still want to leave then they can trade you when you actually have proven NHL value and can return the team that drafted you an equally aged/valued player or multiple picks/prospects.

It’s just never going to happen. Players movement rights aren’t going to go that far backwards.

To your first comment, I’m not sure how it’s disastrous. It’s just taking the exact situation we have now and ensuring teams get compensated for losing a player. It’s the simplest solution, and one of the least impactful on player movement rights, so it’s probably the closest to reality (actually reality is, players probably gain even more contract control in the future, not less).

“Disastrous” lol.

[Roof-Daddy]

I was calling it disastrous because if you give players a free pass to choose free agency then that's what they are going to choose.

At least the way its set up now it doesn't happen that often. It'd be a yearly occurrence with your idea. Probably multiple times per year.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s just never going to happen. Players movement rights aren’t going to go that far backwards.

To your first comment, I’m not sure how it’s disastrous. It’s just taking the exact situation we have now and ensuring teams get compensated for losing a player. It’s the simplest solution, and one of the least impactful on player movement rights, so it’s probably the closest to reality (actually reality is, players probably gain even more contract control in the future, not less).

“Disastrous” lol.

The best way to solve it would be to negotiate a specific salary for each level of draft pick for a one year contract or a two year contract. Give players and teams the ability to negotiate for 3 years but every single player drafted must be signed by the team that drafted them for at least the salary that is outlined in the CBA for each round of the draft. Then teams would get the rights and get a year or two of pro to see if the 7th round pick is working out.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Royle9

They really do need to eliminate this loop hole.
It’s a shame any team loses their 1st round pick because the kid doesn’t want to play for the team that selected them.

They can sugar coat it all they want and come up with an excuse like Fox did, it’s just that.. a bull#### excuse to go wherever they want with no recourse.

Either the kids rights are retained and they have no choice, or they have to renter the draft and they can’t do it again.

Or they can be honest in the pre draft interviews and say, 'I will only sign for team x, y or z.'

And maybe the teams can get better at interviewing and teasing this information out.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I was calling it disastrous because if you give players a free pass to choose free agency then that's what they are going to choose.

At least the way its set up now it doesn't happen that often. It'd be a yearly occurrence with your idea. Probably multiple times per year.

Not sure how that logic works.

Scenario 1: What we have now - players can wait out the drafting team and become free agents. No compensation given if they sign elsewhere.

Scenario 2: What we have now, but the drafting team retains the player’s rights indefinitely if they have offered an ELC, and another team needs to pay an equivalent draft pick if they sign said player (more similar to RFA status)

Explain how making it more difficult for these players to move around would make it happen more often.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

If anybody other than Celebrini and Demidov had been ‘identified as a franchise cornerstone’, more than one scouting staff would have noticed it and there wouldn't be all this talk about how closely grouped the next dozen prospects are.

I'd rather have Coronato and a probable top-4 D than trade Coronato to draft a probable top-4 D. I'd rather have Coronato and a probable top-6 forward than trade Coronato to draft a probable top-6 forward.

Trading up to 5 doesn't get you out of ‘probable’ to ‘sure thing’. By all accounts, there are very few sure things in this draft. The top dozen prospects should all make the NHL, barring injury, but where they top out is anyone's guess.

Or, the teams frequently lie about who they’ve got where, and this is a really strong top-10/top-15, meaning the lies will be that much grander.

People think Hunter Brzustewicz could be a #1D - Parekh skates way better, had more points and is a year younger, and just carried his team to a Mem cup.


If the brass think he’s their guy, they should get him.

If they don’t, no worries.

[GreenLantern2814]

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[getbak]

When was the last time a high-profile college player chose to walk to free agency and the drafting team didn't move him for some compensation ahead of time?

This seems like a moot discussion since most teams have figured out how to get compensation for these picks without losing them for nothing anyway.

[JTech780]

The college loop hole thing is way overblown, it isn’t a problem. In order for McGroarty to go to free agency he needs to play 2 more seasons of college hockey. Thats two more seasons before he can sign his ELC. Two more seasons he risks an injury.

Players who are drafted out of the CHL don’t have to sign with the team who drafted them. They just have to re-enter the draft after two years, they don’t have to sign with the team that drafts them the 2nd time either and then they become free agents. Do we have to close that loop hole too?

[activeStick]

Poor Jets. Potentially another player in the NCAA development track choosing to exercise their ability to walk away from the team that drafted them and instead sign with whatever US team is interested. Nothing confirmed at this point, just rumblings from Friedman.

McGroarty was a 14th overall pick of the Jets in 2022. 6'1, 200 lbs winger with a breakout year this season with U of Michigan with 52 points in 36 games. I'm guessing he was the best player available at that spot and so, the Jets drafted him.

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