[Rumour] PK Subban to the Oilers?

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think the Habs would want a package around a centre not a winger. Drasaitl, Nurse, Eberle and swap first round picks (Oilers 1-4 Habs around 9th)

Huge overpay


First two are going nowhere.

RNH + ? + ? + swap

Took eberle out because I'd hate to see the oil off the hook for both his and rnh deals, and I've heard the oil like him with McJ

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Yoho

If Oil win lottery trade Austin M. to Phoenix for OEL.

It'll take more than Matthews to get OEL. I'm thinking at the very least, it would be Matthews + Nurse for OEL + 2nd or 3rd rounder.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

It would start with Drai + Klefbom + their 1st this year unprotected.

I would expect that any GM that gets a call from Chia about a top pairing defenseman is going to go for the golden fleece from a desparate GM moving into a new building with no blueline help on the way.

As it stands I doubt the Habs would be intetested in more shrinky-dink soft forwards like Ebs or RNH, Yak is zero value out there. For a team that's stocked up on first round draft picks, they really don't have much that would fire up a trade partner that's available.

That's the sort of thing they were talking about this morning. Purely speculatively.
And here is why the speculation:
Pacioretti was just nominated by team vote for King Clancy award, which is for leadership and community contributions.
If it was for community contributions only, PK wins that vote 20-0. So the media are really talking up a rift in the room. Have been for some time now, and they think this vote proves it - that no one likes PK.
They actually were talking Hall, Klefbom and 1st, now that I think about it, as an offer that Bergevin would have to get serious about.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jahrmes

Huge overpay


First two are going nowhere.

RNH + ? + ? + swap

Took eberle out because I'd hate to see the oil off the hook for both his and rnh deals, and I've heard the oil like him with McJ

The + has to be their top 5 pick but probably a Dman as well. RNH is no where near good enough to get Subban

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The + has to be their top 5 pick but probably a Dman as well. RNH is no where near good enough to get Subban

Oh no questions asked. Klef + someone

I just can't see the oil moving two very promising players who don't have the stink on them, plus eberle and a shot at the big 3


Also doubt they can resist picking one of the big 3 this year.

Hall+Klef+2016&2017 2nds?
Rnh+klef+2017 1st?

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Don Maloney already said there is no way he trades OEL for the top pick

That's because someone asked him directly. What was he supposed to say?

Arizona would absolutely trade anyone on their roster for a franchise player who was born and raised in the Phoenix area. This is a franchise on its death bed. To get someone like that who they could market around just might save them.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jahrmes

Huge overpay


First two are going nowhere.

RNH + ? + ? + swap

Took eberle out because I'd hate to see the oil off the hook for both his and rnh deals, and I've heard the oil like him with McJ

Why would Montreal want another midget soft forward, they're trying to get away from that. RNH isn't going to be the center of an acceptable Edmonton offer for a true top defenseman.

Plus Montreal holds the hammer in any negotiation.

If the Habs are moving Subban its a full rebuild, and they will want two of the Oilers top young guys, Drai and Nurse or Klefbom (overrated as he is) and the first round pick.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Why would Montreal want another midget soft forward, they're trying to get away from that. RNH isn't going to be the center of an acceptable Edmonton offer for a true top defenseman.

Plus Montreal holds the hammer in any negotiation.

If the Habs are moving Subban its a full rebuild, and they will want two of the Oilers top young guys, Drai and Nurse or Klefbom (overrated as he is) and the first round pick.

I wish that would happen don't get me wrong.

I just absolutely can't see Draisaitl+Nurse+Top5 leaving. If it does, and for PK, I'll be pleasantly surprised believe that

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Yoho

If Oil win lottery trade Austin M. to Phoenix for OEL.

Not enough for the Yotes, they've got good young players up front, but without OEL Their defense is terrible, and Nurse or Klefbom isn't a good enough defensive piece.

Plus OEL is only 24 so trading a young still developing already number 1 defenseman for a fairy dust pick makes zero sense and shows how over valued draft picks are becoming in the eyes of fans.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by Hockey Fan #751

That's because someone asked him directly. What was he supposed to say?

Arizona would absolutely trade anyone on their roster for a franchise player who was born and raised in the Phoenix area. This is a franchise on its death bed. To get someone like that who they could market around just might save them.

They can't market OEL? He's probably a top 5-10 dman, maybe higher, in the whole league.

This whole "franchise" player is such a stupid term. Same with "generational talent". Just silly buzzwords to try and augment the value of someone's argument for or against player x.

Arizona actually has some solid young players, and have a "franchise" defenseman in OEL, their arrow is pointing up, and they'll add to it again this draft.

[Machiavelli]

Habs media is just the worst....Toronto can be pretty bad too but Montreal takes the cake

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

They can't market OEL? He's probably a top 5-10 dman, maybe higher, in the whole league.

This whole "franchise" player is such a stupid term. Same with "generational talent". Just silly buzzwords to try and augment the value of someone's argument for or against player x.

Arizona actually has some solid young players, and have a "franchise" defenseman in OEL, their arrow is pointing up, and they'll add to it again this draft.

Clearly they can't. This is Phoenix we're talking about. Second last in the NHL in attendance.

Maybe nothing can save them, but a homegrown player who's projected to be one of the NHL's top players in five years is something you can build around and something fans can related to.

These fans know nothing about hockey, how can they relate to a Swedish defenceman? Auston Matthews will get an arena built in Scottsdale.

[1991 Canadian]

Why do PK trade rumours consistently come out? Montreal has nobody to replace what he brings on or off the ice.

I can at least understand rumours for Shatenkirk or Fowler as those teams have enough defensive depth to trade one of their dman. Montreal doesn't have that luxury.

Now I guess Montreal could get a lesser dman back as some sort of package, but I don't understand this at all from Montreals perspective.

[DoubleK]

Why is this a thread?

[JJ1532]

This is what I said after the last rumours came up that Subban might be available. I think they are still applicable:

Originally Posted by JJ1532

I was listening to a podcast last night:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/t...rrien-forever/

And the guy they had on to talk about the Canadiens, Andrew Berkshire, reckoned that if PK Subban got traded, Bergevin would go. He said that Bergevin didn't want to give him the contract he got and isn't a big fan of PK, nor is Therrien. But the owner stepped in because he's a fan of PK and gave him the deal.

So, if that is true, there is no way Subban gets traded, for several reasons.

Firstly, he just donated a shed load of money to the kids hospital in Montreal and has done a lot of positive press/events off the back of this. Trading him would be a PR disaster for the Canadiens, something they will find it hard to recover from.

Secondly, who are they going to get back that is comparable to him? Nobody. Just like Byfuglien's style is unique for the Jets, so is Subban for the Habs. They have nobody in the system to replace him, there is nobody on the market to replace him.

Thirdly, I think if Bergevin tried to trade him, the owner would step in and veto it. He would either fire Bergevin or just put a stop to any trade discussions.

I simply don't see Subban getting traded, it would be a disaster for the Habs, no matter which was you slice it. I'm not a massive fan of his high risk, flashy style, but you can't argue with his actions off the ice. You don't trade guys like him. Bergevin would be signing his death warrant if he gets rid of him. Non starter this for me, too many factors shut any notion of a trade down.

Not a lot else to add. Would be a suicidal move for the Habs, would damage their organisation way more than any return would help them. Complete non-starter.

[Erick Estrada]

The Oilers were going to have to unload two of the 6x6 contracts to be able to fit McDavid and Drai contracts. Subban's $8 million annual hit would complicate things further. He's a good offensive defenseman but not very good defensively so it would be a 2 steps forward, 1 step back move for a very steep price.

[jlh2640]

Good god they could ruin him too

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The Oilers were going to have to unload two of the 6x6 contracts to be able to fit McDavid and Drai contracts. Subban's $8 million annual hit would complicate things further. He's a good offensive defenseman but not very good defensively so it would be a 2 steps forward, 1 step back move for a very steep price.

Subban's cap hit is actually $9M.

[Biff]

[t0rrent98]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Does rnh + Yakupov + x get t it done?

Damn.. beat me to it.