McGrattan hit on Alberts. Suspension?

[moon]

Originally Posted by AcGold

when you get knocked out you don't have a different reaction, you fall to the ground limp. I'm saying if Mcrgrattan gets suspended for more than a high hit because of additional injury it should be a real injury. Probably hurt like hell getting hit in the face at full speed, but it's part of the rules that an injury can cause longer suspensions so it should be based off more than what appeared to be an embellishment. I don't see how that's so hard to grasp.

Originally Posted by Zulu29

When someone gets knocked out, they drop. Simple as that, knees buckle, eyes roll and down you go. Albert's body language IMO does not match that. Was he hurt? Sure, but I think he sold the "knock out" to garner a harsher penalty which he achieved.

I have seen people who were knocked out not just drop right away so I guess I will go back and tell them and their doctors they weren;t knocked out.

I don't know if he was or wasn't and don't really care I am just saying it is not so 100% cut and dry as you are trying to make it out to be.

I also think that McGrattan's suspension should be affected 0 by whether he had a concussion or not.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Honestly, I do not even know how that's a penalty. At worst it should've been 2 for charging and even then... He didn't keep striding in, he was gliding in. Shoulder to shoulder contact. Yes the guy's head hit the glass, but that's because he was trying to avoid the hit. That's not McGrattan's fault, Alberts put himself in a bad spot instead of just getting hit.

It looks to me like his hands/forearms hit him in the head which is roughing at the very least.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I was going to say that I really don't think he sold it and when I saw it live I really believed it, but after what some of you have pointed out, I now give Alberts a 10/10 for that one. I do think he was hurt, but if he didn't sell it like that, Gratts probably only gets 2 instead of 5+Game.

I am not going to say "this one", but there have been times where I have wondered if the Canucks had a bet going on to see who could do the best embellishment. In the past the have been some pretty obvious fish flopping embellishments.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I was going to say that I really don't think he sold it and when I saw it live I really believed it, but after what some of you have pointed out, I now give Alberts a 10/10 for that one. I do think he was hurt, but if he didn't sell it like that, Gratts probably only gets 2 instead of 5+Game.

Yep, the sell job as a "knockout" is what made it a 5 and a game and not a 2 minute minor. And there's no way he was actually knocked out. That's just simply not what happens when you're knocked out.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by moon

I have seen people who were knocked out not just drop right away so I guess I will go back and tell them and their doctors they weren;t knocked out.

I don't know if he was or wasn't and don't really care I am just saying it is not so 100% cut and dry as you are trying to make it out to be.

I also think that McGrattan's suspension should be affected 0 by whether he had a concussion or not.

there are flash ko's where someone loses their consciousness temporarily but regain it before they fall but their knees went limp and they lose balance and stumble around then fall

there are ko's where the persons body goes stiff and they aren't completely out, their eyes are open and they are close to thrashing around due to pain but their bodies are in a temporary state of shock

and then there are other times when a person gets hit behind the ear and completely loses their balance and their equilibrium is gone and they stumble around trying to stand.

I've never seen the kind where they get hit, stand up a little and fall down while putting their hands to their face to protect against the fall and then move their hands to their side to look unconscious. I don't even care if Grats can't play, just don't like the idea of Flames players being suspended for injuries that never happened, that's a bad precedent to set.

[JoelOtto29]

i do not like vancouver

[moon]

Originally Posted by AcGold

I don't even care if Grats can't play, just don't like the idea of Flames players being suspended for injuries that never happened, that's a bad precedent to set.

Shouldn't we wait until that actually happens before whining about it.

There is 0 indication that a suspension is even coming let alone because of a concussion/KO.

Has anyone other than CP posters even claimed that he was KO'ed?

[Dion]

[Resolute 14]

1. No, Alberts wasn't faking anything.
2. No, that did not warrant a major penalty.

Was just a weird play with an unfortunate result.

[Southside]

Slowed it down and watched it a good 5-6 times. No elbow. No further suspension warranted, doesn't mean that he won't get one though.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

1. No, Alberts wasn't faking anything.
2. No, that did not warrant a major penalty.

Was just a weird play with an unfortunate result.

I thought it was odd that when he fell to the ice he quickly brought both arms to his side. If you ask me Alberts was embelishing the hit to try and draw a major penalty.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Dion

I thought it was odd that when he fell to the ice he quickly brought both arms to his side. If you ask me Alberts was embelishing the hit to try and draw a major penalty.

We all hate the Canucks and we all know their history of embellishment. But the belief that he was acting is negated by the fact that he never returned. Sometimes one simply has to look at it logically.

[FlamesAddiction]

I could see this one going either way. I don't think he was intending to injure, but it was a little reckless. It's a difficult one, but if he gets one or two games, I wouldn't complain.

[Tinordi]

The issue was the stick in the face not the elbow. If anyone takes a crosscheck to the face like that they're going down.

[ripTDR]

Originally Posted by Dion

I thought it was odd that when he fell to the ice he quickly brought both arms to his side. If you ask me Alberts was embelishing the hit to try and draw a major penalty.

And I think you are reaching, a lot.

It was a kind of crappy hit. High and what the nhl is trying to get rid of. Deal with it. Guy got five and a game, which is fair and probably all that's gonna happen.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

We all hate the Canucks and we all know their history of embellishment. But the belief that he was acting is negated by the fact that he never returned. Sometimes one simply has to look at it logically.

Logically he was hurt on the play, hurt enough to not return. Also logically, he is a Canuck, therefore he embellished by flailing about and then masterfully falling to the ice while protecting his face.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

We all hate the Canucks and we all know their history of embellishment. But the belief that he was acting is negated by the fact that he never returned. Sometimes one simply has to look at it logically.

I'm not saying he wasn't hurt. It just looked rather suspicious that once he fell to the ice he quickly drew his arms to his side.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by ripTDR

And I think you are reaching, a lot.

It was a kind of crappy hit. High and what the nhl is trying to get rid of. Deal with it. Guy got five and a game, which is fair and probably all that's gonna happen.

A player can get his bell rung and still be conscious enough to move parts of his body. Players embelish all the time, especially the Canucks variety.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Southside

Slowed it down and watched it a good 5-6 times. No elbow. No further suspension warranted, doesn't mean that he won't get one though.

Exactly this. The NHL is so inconsistent with their suspensions.

[Southside]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

The issue was the stick in the face not the elbow. If anyone takes a crosscheck to the face like that they're going down.

Say what? Had another look and haven't a clue what you are talking about.