New poll: Harper - Conservatives headed for third place next election?

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Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Wait, the conservatives want to put a for-profit prison system in place? Why hasn't that gotten anymore attention? It's one of the absolute worst things a country can do to it's justice system as shown by how ####ed up the American prison institution is. If they really want to copy that system then that should be all anyone needs to hear, the conservatives need to be removed from power

Is that actually true? Vastly increase the prison population without adequate resources to deal with it - yes. Private prisons? Hadn't heard that before

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Honestly, the Liberals could have a "buy everyone a hat" platform and it would be less ludicrously stupid than "buy broken fighter jets" and "allow a for-profit prison system to exist".

Give me a break.. . Just because you investigate something doesn't mean you are going to implement it, as you imply.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/feds-...money-1.967126

Feds studying private prisons as way to save money

Last Updated Friday, September 21, 2012 11:58PM EDT

OTTAWA -- The Harper government has been quietly studying private prisons in other countries as a possible model to save money in federal penitentiaries, CTV News has learned.
The government hired the consulting firm Deloitte & Touche to examine prisons in seven countries aimed at building an “understanding of various models, approaches and experiences,” according the 1,400-page report obtained by CTV News under the Access to Information Act.

Deloitte studied in detail 10 prisons in Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, Spain and Belgium -- providing an assessment and recommendation on each prison’s “relevancy to Canadian market” and their “relation to Correctional Services Canada.”

Some of those prisons in the Deloitte study were fully operated by private firms, while other institutions hired companies for basic services such as cleaning, laundry and food preparation services.

Public Safety Minister Vic Toews acknowledged he discussed the idea of private prisons with his British counterpart in a meeting in May, but said he ended up ruling it out.

“I didn’t feel there was any benefit to going toward a privatization model, that is the private supervision of prisoners,” he said. “We have no interest in going to a private model which would put the supervision of prisoners in private hands.”

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doesn't matter if supervision isn't done by private business. once you allow private companies to do laundry, cooking meals, and do more and more within the walls of a prison a conflict of interest is created.

more prisoners=more contracts needed to handle the population. and we have lots of evidence in the States how well that worked out.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

once you allow private companies to do laundry, cooking meals, and do more and more within the walls of a prison a conflict of interest is created.

I'm sorry. I must have missed this. Where exactly does it say that the Conservative government plans to do this?

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In your own post..? Am I missing something?

“We have no interest in going to a private model which would put the supervision of prisoners in private hands.”

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

In your own post..? Am I missing something?

Yes, it certainly does say that, but where does it say they will:

allow private companies to do laundry, cooking meals, and do more and more within the walls of a prison

?

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Originally Posted by Rerun

Yes, it certainly does say that, but where does it say they will:

?

I didnt say they are, but when you run a prison you have more than just guards. You have to feed people, do their laundry, have plumbers and electricians and administration etc.

The only thing that the government has ruled out they wont do privately is guard prisoners. Which is only a fraction of what running a jail is.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

I didnt say they are, but when you run a prison you have more than just guards. You have to feed people, do their laundry, have plumbers and electricians and administration etc.

The only thing that the government has ruled out they wont do privately is guard prisoners. Which is only a fraction of what running a jail is.

Ah.. so because the Federal government hasn't specifically ruled this out, it means they plan to do it. I hope you allow such latitude when discussing what the Liberals and NDP also plan to do.

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Originally Posted by Rerun

Ah.. so because the Federal government hasn't specifically ruled this out, it means they plan to do it. I hope you allow such latitude when discussing what the Liberals and NDP also plan to do.

Jesus Christ. Where did I say that?

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Jesus Christ. Where did I say that?

You implied it here:

Originally Posted by Resurrection

doesn't matter if supervision isn't done by private business. once you allow private companies to do laundry, cooking meals, and do more and more within the walls of a prison a conflict of interest is created.

more prisoners=more contracts needed to handle the population. and we have lots of evidence in the States how well that worked out.

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Originally Posted by Rerun

You implied it here:

yeah, I guess I implied that they might consider doing that. Pretty different than stating that they in fact plan on doing so, don't you think?

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

yeah, I guess I implied that they might consider doing that. Pretty different than stating that they in fact plan on doing so, don't you think?

Typical anti-Conservative rhetoric. "What I said is okay because I only implied it, I didn't actually state it."

Fear mongering at its best.

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Originally Posted by Rerun

Typical anti-Conservative rhetoric. "What I said is okay because I only implied it, I didn't actually state it."

Fear mongering at its best.

holy crap you're being serious.

do you understand the difference between these 2 statements:

1) "I dont like that the conservatives are considering a private run jail system, and are only willing to rule out guards being privatized"

2) I dont like the conservatives because they ARE going to run for profit jails.

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Haha, I think it's actually comical how much politics is sports team allegiance with Rerun. The best part is, he actually admitted earlier in the thread, saying you should stick with your guys through the bad times.

I mean lots of people do it, but don't want to admit it, but he just comes right out and says it like it's an admirable thing to do, lol.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

holy crap you're being serious.

do you understand the difference between these 2 statements:

1) "I dont like that the conservatives are studying a number of different types of privately run jail systems, and have stated that guards will never be privatized"

2) I dont like the conservatives therefore I am going to imply that they ARE going to run for profit jails.

Fixed your post.

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Clearly attempting a serious debate with you was a complete waste of time.
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Hey let me save you time!

Clearly attempting a serious debate with you was a complete waste of time.

Stephen Harper is the anti christ! He wants to run a police state where everyone goes to jail for at least 4 years and the profits go to businesses he sits on the board of!

fixed my own post for ya!

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Haha, I think it's actually comical how much politics is sports team allegiance with Rerun. The best part is, he actually admitted earlier in the thread, saying you should stick with your guys through the bad times.

I mean lots of people do it, but don't want to admit it, but he just comes right out and says it like it's an admirable thing to do, lol.

I said that politics is a blood sport and that if you believe enough in what a party stands for you should continue to support that party even if things are not going well for them. NDP and Liberal supporters have done that for years and apparently its acceptable stance. Just not for Conservative supporters I guess, in your opinion.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Clearly attempting a serious debate with you was a complete waste of time.
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Hey let me save you time!

Clearly attempting a serious debate with you was a complete waste of time.

Stephen Harper is the anti christ! He wants to run a police state where everyone goes to jail for at least 4 years and the profits go to businesses he sits on the board of!

fixed my own post for ya!

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I said that politics is a blood sport and that if you believe enough in what a party stands for you should continue to support that party even if things are not going well for them. NDP and Liberal supporters have done that for years and apparently its acceptable stance. Just not for Conservative supporters I guess, in your opinion.

There you go with the sports team thing again. Your first instinct in response to my post is to pin me to a "team" and go at me like I'm on the other bench, lol.

I've supported the conservatives my whole adult life until a couple of years ago when they started going into US conservative territory on a number of issues, and I'm still not even set on voting for a different party at this point with the alternatives, so to this point I've literally voted conservative 100% of my adult life.

[SebC]

Heh.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01...like-an-asset/

[...] Trudeau, who has been peppered with rotten fruit for months over his refusal to speak words that sound anything like a detailed economic plan, is now in the position of waiting and watching, as the government tacks back into the wind and the New Democrats, already on the hook for a $5-billion national childcare proposal, no doubt do the same.

The Liberal leader’s policy reticence, dismissed as gap-toothed vacuity, now begins to look prudent.