Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Maybe, but do we really believe the Flames are playing hardball? Brad is sticking at 9.5 and not willing to move? If they pay 8 x 10 million, some other team would need to pay 11.5 x 7 to match. I'm sure Johnny realizes he's not going to get significantly higher than those figures. I just find it unlikely they are trying to squeeze every last penny out of the Flames.

So ya I think where him and his wife want to start their family is likely the biggest factor and if they felt Calgary was the place they wanted to do it then the deal would likely be done already. It feels like they want to see what the options out there are and then they can weigh all of those options.

The negotiation process is ongoing. Millions of dollars are on the table. Most certainly, both sides are putting up resistance.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Too many people obsessed with burn it t the ground rebuilds.

The Flames were a top 3-5 team in the entire league by goal diffential / fancy stats / betting odds. That's not the kind of roster you burn down -- thats a roster you build on. If you lose Gaudreau, use that cap-space to get a replacement superstar. With Lucic / Monahan possibly freeing up cap space, things are looking up for this team, with or without Johnny.

Yup Cal Makar is eager to go home….just wait lol

[Canada 02]

Robert Thomas is the player I'd want from the Blues; way more than Kyrou

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

https://twitter.com/user/status/1544061472069894144

I think someone is going to regret the Kadri deal very quickly.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

Robert Thomas is the player I'd want from the Blues; way more than Kyrou

And the player the Blues would not want to give up. For the very reasons we would like to get him.

[BlindMilwaukee]

In that vein what do people think of that deal? I can live with that if MT doesn't want to extend here.

Kyrou OR Thomas
Perunivich
Neighbours

FOR

Tkachuk

[Erick Estrada]

Definitely buyer beware on Kadri. Good player but he will never come close to repeating those numbers and his contract should be based on a 31 year old 50-60 point player.

[devo22]

I mean, good for him. Just won the cup, might as well go get that money now.

[FanIn80]

If you're lucky enough to draft a Matthew Tkachuk, you don't turn around and trade him for another draft pick. That's like winning a million dollars on a horse race, and then putting that million dollars right back onto another horse in the next race.

Who's available this year at #2? Logan Cooley? Juraj Slafkovsky? We're gonna trade Tkachuk for one of those two? I'm not even sure I'd trade him for Shane Wright.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

https://twitter.com/user/status/1544061472069894144

Ha. Kadri will be in demand, but Kypreos....forever the agents' fluffer.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

If you're lucky enough to draft a Matthew Tkachuk, you don't turn around and trade him for another draft pick. That's like winning a million dollars on a horse race, and then putting that million dollars right back onto another horse in the next race.

Who's available this year at #2? Logan Cooley? Juraj Slafkovsky? We're gonna trade Tkachuk for one of those two? I'm not even sure I'd trade him for Shane Wright.

Rumors abound that Montreal might be going the route of Slafkovsky, so Wright would be available at #2. Agreed though. Best case scenario is we develop a player to the caliber of Tkachuk with that pick.

[prizefighterinferno]

Originally Posted by BlindMilwaukee

In that vein what do people think of that deal? I can live with that if MT doesn't want to extend here.

Kyrou OR Thomas
Perunivich
Neighbours

FOR

Tkachuk

Really don’t think Thomas is going anywhere especially because the idea would be to pair Thomas and Tkachuk (who I believe are also really good friends). But I could definitely live with Kyrou and Neighbours and a pick if it had to happen.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Kyrou + is potentially the most appealing package for Tkachuk IMO. I don't think the blues will offer Kyrou though.

You don't think the Blues would part with Kyrou for a local boy 100+ point power forward not even in his prime? Of course they would.

[prizefighterinferno]

Yeah based on the opinions of guys covering the team Kyrou is definitely gettable in the right package.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by BlindMilwaukee

In that vein what do people think of that deal? I can live with that if MT doesn't want to extend here.

Kyrou OR Thomas
Perunivich
Neighbours

FOR

Tkachuk

as others have said, I don't think they'd part with Thomas. But yeah, such a package with Kyrou would be in the right ballpark, I think.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by VilleN

What point would there be to getting the 2nd overall pick? It likely takes a few years before that pick is anywhere near as impactful as Tkachuk, if it even happens. By that time Johnny may have slowed down a step, among other players. IMO if we re-sign Johnny we have about 3-4 years of a window before we start thinking about a tear down.

The team can avoid a tear down rebuild if they add pieces to help bridge the old from the new. In 3-4 years Wright or Slafkovsky may be entering the stage of being elite NHLers To take over as the alpha of the team as Johnny starts to wind down.

Strictly from a cap perspective I think it makes a lot of sense as well having a guy on an ELC vs having to pay another guy right away. The Flames are screwed for cap space so getting the pick helps alleviate the cap crunch

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

If you're lucky enough to draft a Matthew Tkachuk, you don't turn around and trade him for another draft pick. That's like winning a million dollars on a horse race, and then putting that million dollars right back onto another horse in the next race.

Who's available this year at #2? Logan Cooley? Juraj Slafkovsky? We're gonna trade Tkachuk for one of those two? I'm not even sure I'd trade him for Shane Wright.

The Flames just traded away a bunch of picks and have an incredibly tough time finding cap space to keep Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Mangiapane. Adding the 2nd pick (+ by the way) would help afford them the ability to keep Johnny and Mangiapane long term while adding a top prospect to the organization. It really only truly intrigues me if Wright is available at that pick.

Flames are trading Tkachuk only if there is no path to a long term deal.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by BlindMilwaukee

In that vein what do people think of that deal? I can live with that if MT doesn't want to extend here.

Kyrou OR Thomas
Perunivich
Neighbours

FOR

Tkachuk

Feels like we are trading a dollar for 3 quarters

[BlindMilwaukee]

Just like what may happen with Johnny though Vinny - I'd rather not have that dollar roll away with nothing in return.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Flames just traded away a bunch of picks and have an incredibly tough time finding cap space to keep Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Mangiapane. Adding the 2nd pick (+ by the way) would help afford them the ability to keep Johnny and Mangiapane long term while adding a top prospect to the organization. It really only truly intrigues me if Wright is available at that pick.

Flames are trading Tkachuk only if there is no path to a long term deal.

If keeping all three isn't realistic then I think you need to assess:

Johnny + Tkachuk + Assets from trading Mangiapane for $20M

or

Johnny + Mangiapane + Assets from Trading Tkachuk for $16M

I actually think there might be a scenario where we are better in the second option with the assets from the Tkachuk trade and less spent on the cap.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Feels like we are trading a dollar for 3 quarters

Kyrou was a PPG player last year and is one of the fastest skaters in the league. He's probably a dollar himself.

Honestly if you got him and two other pieces for Tkachuk I would do it. Speed kills in this league and the Flames could use a burner like Kyrou.