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Old 11-11-2023, 11:28 AM   #481
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To be fair Z is easily a top 4 D man based on his last 2 years performance.
He’d even slot in top 2 on some teams.

I’d rather pay Zadorov a 6x5 than pay Hanifin that same money, and that’s what Conroy is going to end up doing, just watch.

Let the guy who wants to be a Flame walk and sign the guy who wanted out last year who’s been absolutely brutal all year to the big extension.
Which teams is he a top 2?
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Old 11-11-2023, 11:29 AM   #482
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Could be misdirection tbh. Until they make a trade, I wouldnt be certain.

They might just be trying to retool and this strategy of misdirection makes it easier to get players to waive NMCs
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Old 11-11-2023, 11:29 AM   #483
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Then going public at this point is a really selfish move as it limits Conroy’s ability to get the most out of a deal.
Welcome to pro sports.

Players don’t care what kind of return the team gets for them in trades.
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Based on what? If he played Hanifins minutes and competition you may have a different take.
Exactly this. People tend to fall in love with depth defenseman because they are sheltered which makes them seem to be better than they really are.

I think Zadorov is. 4/5 damn, but if he took Hanifin's minutes he would be a whopping boy on his board PDQ.

And I really like him, but there is a reason he's already on his 4th team, soon to be 5.
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Old 11-11-2023, 11:32 AM   #485
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How would you know?

We haven't seen it.

He's only played 18% of his ice time against elite competition over the last several years.

So sure maybe he could be a top four defenseman and the Flames are holding him back.

Or maybe he's just not a top four defenseman, and Sutter and Huska know it.
Yes, there's plenty of guys who've looked really good in limited minutes and other teams think "we can give him a bigger role" and it doesn't work well. Bollig for example.
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Old 11-11-2023, 11:32 AM   #486
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Tor, Van, and NJD are the clubs with strong interest in Zadorov. Tanev, solid right shot Dman is a huge draw and, of course, Hanifin. The Flames are in no hurry to sell assets. If a team steps up in a big way, everything has to be considered. I’m not sensing urgency from Cgy.
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Old 11-11-2023, 11:32 AM   #487
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Only after asking for an extension.
Flames won’t commit so he wants out, can’t fault him for that.

Noah just wanted out cause his boys left.
Come on now...every team in the league would take Hanifin over Zadorov

You will see this with their returns and next contracts
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Old 11-11-2023, 11:35 AM   #488
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No, tell them the truth. Better yet, don't even return their phone calls. Who cares if they want to be here or not? They can go be on a 50 goal pace for some real contender. We'd rather have healthy scratch castoffs and delude ourselves into thinking this is good asset management.
Not overly worried about Zadorov scoring at a 50 goal pace.
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Old 11-11-2023, 11:40 AM   #489
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Lol flames should give him no.1 minutes and see what he's made of. Maybe he's on for 6 goals against and proves what he is. Maybe he's a stud and we get a 1st out of someone.
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Old 11-11-2023, 11:40 AM   #490
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To be fair Z is easily a top 4 D man based on his last 2 years performance.
He’d even slot in top 2 on some teams.

I’d rather pay Zadorov a 6x5 than pay Hanifin that same money, and that’s what Conroy is going to end up doing, just watch.

Let the guy who wants to be a Flame walk and sign the guy who wanted out last year who’s been absolutely brutal all year to the big extension.
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Which teams is he a top 2?
Oilers.

Some people have the most fascinating (read: stupid) takes.

Good thing there's dumb GMs too (Holland, Treliving) because that's how deals get made that....checks notes....tanks their team.
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Old 11-11-2023, 11:40 AM   #491
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Devils are a great fit imo. Ready to take a step, but their LD looks atrocious.

Siegenthaler
Bahl
Smith

Either Zadorov or Hanifin should be going there
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Old 11-11-2023, 11:41 AM   #492
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Thinking back now about his comments earlier in the season about the players not liking hard coaches then not liking soft coaches and that they just need to show up and play probably says it all.

I’m sure he thinks the core group is soft and pampered. Which from the outside looks to be true. The AHLers that have been brought up have shown more heart. Guessing he doesn’t want to be a part of that. Was probably pissed when they canned Sutter. Think he and Toffoli were big supporters.
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Old 11-11-2023, 11:41 AM   #493
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Which teams is he a top 2?
Edmonton.
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The uproar is hilarious. We should absolutely be catering to Zadorovs demands.

6x6 for a 5th defenceman is the going rate in the NHL right?

Someone said he is a top 2 defenceman lets put him on the top pairing, and lets see the reaction in game threads next season when his gaffes are magnified when played 23 minutes a night.

Every mistake I am sure poster will chime OMG how could COnroy sign him to that deal. 6 more years !!! How could the dumb management not see this coming. Or maybe we can have posters call him a bitch like they did Huberdeau.
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Old 11-11-2023, 11:44 AM   #495
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https://flamesnation.ca/news/potenti...nikita-zadorov

Flames Nation trade proposals

Vancouver
Beauvillier, Woo, 2024 3rd, 2025 2nd

Toronto
Klingberg, 2024 1st, 2024 5th

Florida
Mahura, 2024 4th, 2025 2nd

Nashville
Fabbro, 2024 3rd
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Edmonton.
Funny, but no. Ekholm is better (but old) and so is Nurse (though not on a value for dollar basis). Bouchard is better at one of the dimensions. At best Z is a 3.

He would be a guy who makes their team much better though.
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Old 11-11-2023, 11:45 AM   #497
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Holtz was benched by the Devils last game. See if you can pry him out of there in some sort of package for Zad.
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Old 11-11-2023, 11:46 AM   #498
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Not overly worried about Zadorov scoring at a 50 goal pace.
No, but the last guy who asked for a trade when Conroy stopped returning his phone calls regarding an extension is. 8 goals in 13 games.
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Old 11-11-2023, 11:46 AM   #499
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Honestly Zadorov might be worth 5x5. Would rather him at that price and term over Hanifin.

Hanifin and Tanev are on the way out anyway.

Need someone to mentor guy like Solovyov, and Zadorov would have been ideal there.

This is just disastrous all around. Rippling effects of Conroy making it known to the vets that extensions weren't coming. The one thing Treliving did well was keep his damn mouth shut.
Even Conroy with his motor mouth doesn't leak things to the press, the agents do
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https://flamesnation.ca/news/potenti...nikita-zadorov

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Beauvillier, Woo, 2024 3rd, 2025 2nd

Toronto
Klingberg, 2024 1st, 2024 5th

Florida
Mahura, 2024 4th, 2025 2nd

Nashville
Fabbro, 2024 3rd
The Toronto and Nashville deals I would do in a second.
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