[GT] Habs @ Flames. Hallow's eve eve.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by adc

If he couldn't see it that was crap positioning by him.

This has been argued twice, but what better positioning could he be in?

Given human evolution, it is physically impossible to see through solid objects. Kris Russell, last I checked, is a human being, which qualifies as a solid object. Said solid object obstructed Ortio's view, and then collapsed to block a shot (which further obstructed Ortio's view of the play and shot).

There is no amount of shifting, head tilt, straining, etc. that is going to compensate for the obstruction...especially at the pace of NHL hockey.

[adc]

Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

Or perhaps the rest of the league has no idea who he is? I would wager that has more to do with him falling to the Habs. They were on a winning streak, so of course it was hard for him to break into the lineup. Just wait and see if they bench him again. I bet they won't.

He actually was good enough to make the Flames, they just thought he would slip through waivers. Anyone that thinks Mason Raymond or Brandon Bollig did more to earn a spot on the team are as delusional as Bob Hartley.

But fine, give up a guy that was gonna pot 30 points playing on the 4th line. A guy that goes out and brings so much energy that it shifts momentum to his team. Not to mention his role as a good PKer.

We sure made the right decision.

The Paul Byron conversation has been beaten to death but if you think that NHL teams don't know who he is and that's why he fell you are insane.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

They'd get it back twice as bad. The defense has had lapses without a doubt, but more troublesome to me is the lack of any ability to make saves. Last in the NHL in 5v5 save % and you're going to pin that on the D?

Yeah, could use better goaltending but when you have the fantastic pair of Russell Wideman serving up pizzas in the high slot.... that doesn't tend to help...

[adc]

Originally Posted by Yamer

This has been argued twice, but what better positioning could he be in?

Given human evolution, it is physically impossible to see through solid objects. Kris Russell, last I checked, is a human being, which qualifies as a solid object. Said solid object obstructed Ortio's view, and then collapsed to block a shot (which further obstructed Ortio's view of the play and shot).

There is no amount of shifting, head tilt, straining, etc. that is going to compensate for the obstruction...especially at the pace of NHL hockey.

Goalies look around their defensemen all time, even guys as big as Byfuglien.

Anyways I did think you said you weren't changing your mind so I will leave at that was a weak goal by Ortio and coupled with the other 3 it has been a poor night for him so far (and saying poor might be being kind).

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Yeah, could use better goaltending but when you have the fantastic pair of Russell Wideman serving up pizzas in the high slot.... that doesn't tend to help...

Agree, in just saying the Goalies shouldn't be snapping at anyone

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

At this point it's not about breaking down individual shots and goals. No matter who has been in net they haven't been able to provide key saves at key moments. None of them... And it's killing us.

Sure it is. A game doesn't just happen as a solid chunk. In the macro, there is the micro, and in sports the parts make up the whole.

If a single avoidable goal (part/micro) trumps the whole, then there is much more going on that needs to be corrected in order to be successful.

The first goal wasn't the difference maker tonight.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

He's performed better than the other two but is that really saying much at this point? This is his 2nd softie in 2 starts on a team that desperately needs a whole lot less of those. So...

No he hasn't. Flames fans including me badly wanted him to be the solution but it appears he's not right now. He's been just as bad as the other two.

The Wideman/Russell pairing needs to be split up so the suck is halved in different pairings.

[terminator]

Goal tending would be greatttt

[skcli]

I would not send Wideman and Russell to Edmonton tonight. Both of them will be better serve the team by staying in Calgary

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

How can a team dig out of a 2-8-1 hole?

They don't. Playoffs are no longer an option. Time to reset expectations as fans. Realize we are further ahead than we'd have dreamed before last season started, be thankful for the experience our young guys gained last year, make smart decisions with our expiring assets and just focus on developing and the continued progression of our young core.

Not saying it doesn't hurt, but time to accept the nay Sayers last year were right, but also look at the positives, our young core is way better than we imagined they could be before last year.

[Yrebmi]

Ok
Flames gonna have a bounce back 3rd!

GFG

let's try for some positivety on this board!

[AcGold]

Beer was made for days like today, oh man. crap day at work, crap hockey game so far. I'm getting fata'ing hammered.

[smiggy77]

Alright folks, calling it now...this period is going to turn our season around.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by GB70

I'm kinda suprised given how brutal the defense has been this season that one of our goaltenders hasn't completly snapped and gone postal on the defense yet.

Did you ever think maybe the reason for the defense making alot of mistakes is because of lack of confidence in their goaltending? It has to be tough knowing every little mistake you make could result in a goal because you don't even know if your goalie can make a routine save.

[GB70]

Barnum & Bailey created what our goaltending has been all season ... A three ring circus. Complete gong show by the defense also hasn't helped either. but when you can't make a save and you can't play defense. It kinda hard to win games . Look how well that plan worked out for Edmonton the past decade.

[Split98]

Maybe we already have in this thread... but at what point do we start blaming Sigalet?

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[DropIt]

Originally Posted by smiggy77

Alright folks, calling it now...this period is going to turn our season around.

Sorry, too late. Season's over.

[bubbsy]

man i wish i was drinking today.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by smiggy77

Alright folks, calling it now...this period is going to turn our season around.

I needed that. Thanks

[Badgers Nose]

Maybe these goalies come back mentally, maybe they don't.

I think Flames can't wait to find out. If they were not desperate last week they will be soon. I mean we have three sub 0.900 goalies now. WTH?

Flames will never be lucky enough to get the 1st overall, if they are a lottery team. So there is no good thing that will come form finishing last. Nothing.