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Old 04-05-2022, 05:28 PM   #4961
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He's doing his job trying to get help from wherever he can.

But thats just posturing. He knows damn well why they're content to sit on the sidelines, because if they dont its World War 3.
And it’s not as though the UN is quick to step in to stop atrocities that happen elsewhere in the world. Massacres and war rape are routine in Mali, Libya, Chad, South Sudan, the Congo, Myanmar, etc. You pretty much need Rwanda levels of slaughter before the UN will get involved.
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Old 04-05-2022, 09:11 PM   #4962
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Did see a video a couple of weeks back of T-55's on rail cars
Hurray more deathtrap tanks. All Russian tanks are turret launch olympics death traps when faced with modern anti tank weapons except the T-14, which Russia only has what, 15-20?. What is a T-55 going to do? RPGs will kill those all day, you wouldn't even waste an NLAW on those... no ERA.
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MOD updates for the day. Russian's Central MD grouping appears to have completed its northward withdraw today according to Wiki but MOD still showing some areas contested. If Wiki is correct, this would mean a complete pull out of Russia forces to pre-war borders NW of Kharkiv. MOD is estimating that these withdrawing forces are likely depleted and would not be able to be used in the eastern fronts. At least this won't be likely before Putin's May Victory Day deadline. Russians are attempting to push from the East and have taken control of the towns around Izium SE of Kharkiv and are solidifying gains North of Mariupol. There are also rumors of Russian forces withdrawing from Kherson but this hasn't been confirmed yet by most sources.

As with the NYT, MOD has confirmed through satellite imagery that Ukrainians did not move any of the bodies in Bucha and corroborated Ukrainian claims of mass civilian killings. Lavrov can F-off with his "its all a western conspiracy" response to the war crimes committed by Russian troops.
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Old 04-06-2022, 01:30 AM   #4964
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Could be.



There are vast warehouses all over Russia, that are stocked with everything, including stuff like WW1 artillary pieces. WW2 tanks, everything.


I mean we talk about the losses to the Russians which are horrendous. But the Ukrainian Army is in a precarious spot two as they're not being re-enforced, and while small arms and things like man portable tank and anti-aircraft missiles are coming in, Their heavy equipment stocks have to be low, and their troop numbers have to be dwindling as well.
No. This is a misconception that's really common n America and UK. I guess it's because you're not really familiar with the conscription system?

Ukraine has very significant troop reserves, hundreds of thousands of men who have had some level of recentish military training, and a notable number of them have actual combat experience from the years long conflict on their eastern border. That plus all the volunteers (meaning both foreign soldiers and local civilians who are picking up unarmed duties that would normally need to be handled by the military) actually means the Ukrainian forces are likely growing and will eventually outnumber Russian troops if they don't already. (And if Russia doesn't send in significant reinforcements, which is non-trivial for Russia, but still a thing that likely will happen.)

Equipment is a problem, and the quality of incoming troops is debatable sure, but those are also both issues for Russians. We've already seen how poorly maintained the equipment of their regular troops is, so the supposedly massive reserves they have in their warehouses are very likely mostly unusable garbage. Legacy tanks are also basically just target practice for modern anti-weaponry. Russian professional units have also taken quite heavy casualties with some being effectively wiped out, and Russians are no more capable of replacing their best troops than the Ukrainians are.

The longer version of what I just said is also in these videos, some of which are already posted. They're long so I get why people don't watch them, but I would really highly recommend them if you want to understand how the Russian and Ukrainian forces match up.

In short, it's a lot less lopsided than what a lot of media has been reporting.







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Putin says sanctions are price Russia must pay for freedom

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You can be fairly certain the Kremlin will trot out the same narrative it has in response to previous sanctions - that the West is looking for any excuse to sanction Russia.

Vladimir Putin said last week the West has been waging an economic war against Russia for years in order to undermine its development.

He is trying to tell the Russian people they are, in effect, the victims here and there is no causal relationship to what's happening in Ukraine.

In his words, Western sanctions are the price Russia must pay for freedom and independence.

The Kremlin's narrative is that this is not a war - it's a special military operation designed to defend the interests of Russian-speaking people living in the east of Ukraine.

But increasingly the Kremlin is portraying Ukraine as the real aggressor.

It is trying, Russians are told, to acquire nuclear weapons, it's trying to develop biological ones, there's evidence, people here are told, that Ukraine wants to try and use those kinds of weapons against Russia.

Regarding the footage out of Bucha, some Russians are seeing that, but they're being told that it's fake news.

It's very difficult to get access to any other sources of information, even social media channels - many of them have been blocked here.

And so many Russians believe what they're being told.
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Old 04-06-2022, 06:27 AM   #4966
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New milestone, actual numbers probably higher.
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No. This is a misconception that's really common n America and UK. I guess it's because you're not really familiar with the conscription system?

Ukraine has very significant troop reserves, hundreds of thousands of men who have had some level of recentish military training, and a notable number of them have actual combat experience from the years long conflict on their eastern border. That plus all the volunteers (meaning both foreign soldiers and local civilians who are picking up unarmed duties that would normally need to be handled by the military) actually means the Ukrainian forces are likely growing and will eventually outnumber Russian troops if they don't already. (And if Russia doesn't send in significant reinforcements, which is non-trivial for Russia, but still a thing that likely will happen.)

Equipment is a problem, and the quality of incoming troops is debatable sure, but those are also both issues for Russians. We've already seen how poorly maintained the equipment of their regular troops is, so the supposedly massive reserves they have in their warehouses are very likely mostly unusable garbage. Legacy tanks are also basically just target practice for modern anti-weaponry. Russian professional units have also taken quite heavy casualties with some being effectively wiped out, and Russians are no more capable of replacing their best troops than the Ukrainians are.

The longer version of what I just said is also in these videos, some of which are already posted. They're long so I get why people don't watch them, but I would really highly recommend them if you want to understand how the Russian and Ukrainian forces match up.

In short, it's a lot less lopsided than what a lot of media has been reporting.
Czechia has also sent in some tanks in the past few days.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ts-2022-04-05/
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As I recall that worked out pretty well last time.
Hey man, legit they are still in use. I've seen them in combat (wait that was 30yrs ago)
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In short, it's a lot less lopsided than what a lot of media has been reporting.
Ukraine has a pretty sizable manpower advantage right now after mobilization and a definite organizational and structural advantage having put in tons of equipment modernization, training/structural reforms to near NATO standards, and anti-corruption changes of their military since the 2014 Russian invasion.

Meanwhile most of Russia's let their equipment rot, officers embezzle modernization funds, or focused spending in things that can't be used in Ukraine while cutting corners in places that would have been useful. Effectiveness of the cold war era armor aside, if Russians are truly sending in T-55s and one of a kind prototype tanks like is being reported in OSINT, their tank reserves probably are in worse shape than most aircraft boneyards and equipment loss rates are getting to truly desperate levels.

It's amazing to me the Ukrainians have more tanks/IFVs now than when they started this war, that's accounting for all the ones they lost.
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There's the problem though. Even if some Russians are totally buying everything Putin says. How much they care about "Russian-speaking citizens of East Ukraine"? EVEN if they buy that there was some kind of genocide in Donbass, does it worth life of so many Russian soldiers? Those Russian-speaking people of Donbass had 8 years to move to Russia if they wanted to escape "genocide". Putin's narrative is weak EVEN if one totally buys it.
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According to Canadian Ukrainian Volunteer who's fighting around Kherson the Ukrainians have taken the northern bridge across the Dniper leaving the Russians only one bridge to withdraw to the Crimea, this is huge strategically as the Russians have a shed load of forces north of Kherson that were relying on the northern bridge for resupply and egress, they seen to be ****** and it leaves the whole west of the Dniper about to fall, if the Ukrainians can take Kherson and push across the river they can cut off the Crimea, I cannot emphasise how important that is, it gives them the whip hand in peace negotiations
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There's the problem though. Even if some Russians are totally buying everything Putin says. How much they care about "Russian-speaking citizens of East Ukraine"? EVEN if they buy that there was some kind of genocide in Donbass, does it worth life of so many Russian soldiers? Those Russian-speaking people of Donbass had 8 years to move to Russia if they wanted to escape "genocide". Putin's narrative is weak EVEN if one totally buys it.
Couldn’t he just say Ukraine was preventing people from leaving?

If the truth doesn’t matter he can make basically anything up.
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