[Trade] Monahan and conditional 2025 1st to Montreal for future considerations

[robertsfanatic]

love Mony and will miss him but trading him and a first for Kadri is probably a trade most people here would make every day.

[djsFlames]

Should've just made it a conditionless 2nd. It's one year of Mony. Not a lot to stomach.

Stupid Habs.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Should've just made it a conditionless 2nd. It's one year of Mony. Not a lot to stomach.

Yeah, I'm sure Treliving started off with "have a first".

[Roof-Daddy]

I can't believe there is still Flames fans bitching.

This team had 111 points last year and were dominant in all the fancy stats.

They have a Jack Adams level coach
They have a Vezina caliber goalie
They just upgraded their defense from last season
They just upgraded their center core from last season


How anyone can bitch about this right now just amazes me.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

We still have our next two 1st you know. Plus Florida’s in 2025…..or 2026. Whatever the hell the conditions on that pick are

Probably best case scenario that Florida takes the Flames 2024 1st.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I enjoy watching the games and hope to one day see the team win another Stanley Cup.

No, this is absolutely contributing to the cycle of mediocrity.

Thank you.

You are mistaken.

You're welcome.

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1560386539825180673

[Dragomir]

Yikes, horrible deal.

[Blaster86]

Trade should have happened three or four years ago. Instead of getting over-paid for him, they're over-paying to get rid of him.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I accepted it. However, with this Kadri signing, I believe that the Flames will have one season to hope it all clicks and win a Stanley Cup before the wheels start falling off.

Ultimately I think it hurts the team on both ends. Shortens their window and hampers the future.

Maybe. Kadri is a type of player that could age alright though. His playmaking has really improved the last two seasons - which is a skill that actually tends to age okay.

Big risk for sure but not my money and if they end up sucking in 2 years then he can just be an expensive piece of the tank then.

The Kadri signing is fine if there is no acquisition cost but paying a first to get rid of Monahan for that honour is the issue.

[#-3]

Don't like, I was not so secretly hoping Monahan could be like found money contributing at a 2nd line pace from the 3rd line later this season. I think you need those types of stories to happen if you want to win.

Would have preferred we found a way to clear Lucic's cap hit, and rolled the dice on Monny, if a 10-20 overall pick is basically the price. But it was clear the flames needed another top 6 forward to be competative.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

So Basically the condition is this:

Montreal has the option to take the Flames 2024 1st if the pick is 20-32.

Otherwise it becomes complicated depending on whether Calgary gets Florida's pick or not and depending whether picks are top 10 or not.

If it is that low, I doubt they'll take that option. They could end up with a higher pick in the next draft by deferring. The only way it gets to 2026, I believe, is if the Flames win the 1st overall pick in 2025.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Trade should have happened three or four years ago. Instead of getting over-paid for him, they're over-paying to get rid of him.

Yeah, Treliving should have known Monahan's hips were going to give out and traded our #1C in his early 20's while they were trying to win.

lol some of the brutal takes on here are incredible

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Tre's GM character has a near 100 rating for trades. I don't think anyone predicted the haul he would receive for Tkachuk. He's used that surplus to help clear the roster to land a competitive player.

Will put my appreciation down for Sean Monahan. The guy came, scored, played hurt for the organization, and arguably even put in harm's way by the organization. Yet through it all, not a peep of complaint.

Good luck Sean.

[Hackey]

Steep price to pay to get rid of Monahan. Really hope that pick is 20-30 and not 10-20.

[FlamesAddiction]

So I guess this must mean that the CGY 2024, 2025, 2026, and the FLA 2025 1sts are all untradeable for now since they are all subject to pending conditions that may be met at some point.

[sureLoss]

Looks like Carey Price is out for the season:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1560388598205235205

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Nope. Look at each trade in isolation.

The Tkachuk trade was a complete win. No need to turn around and spend that 1st like it’s burning a hole in your pocket.

I’m not sure id want to trade a 1st for 7 years of Kadri at $7M to be honest.

The whole point of overpaying a UFA is there is no acquisition cost, giving up a 1st kind of defeats that point.

The opportunity cost of a 1st is huge and I think it probably could have been used more effectively for a different asset.

These moves though, allow the Flames to maximize competing this year when Huberdeau and Weegar are on steal on contracts. If you don't make this deal and you keep the first and wait until Monahan contracts expires you also lose the opportunity to put forward an even better team this year which could be our best chance of winning it all in a long time.

I also think with all the conditions and likely the first in a 2025 first you could make it case those conditions are better than trading a 2nd in this draft to ditch Monahan as the 2023 draft is very deep and it's a prospect added to the pool 2 years earlier. If it is a 2024 first it's automatically 20th overall or later. Seeing how teams value picks now over picks down the road I wouldn't be shocked if our first is 20th overall or later that Montreal takes it and doesn't worry about a slightly better pick in 2025.


A late first is pretty overrated pick. It's quite often mentioned in previous trade idea involving players we were looking to trade away.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1560386539825180673

I can see why this took so long. O_O

[Sofa GM]

This screams Murray Edwards, could have moved Lucic for probably nothing. Have to pay a 1st so Murray can save $5MM. Joke.