People will be willing to pay more simply cause it's easier, especially if you didn't smoke before.
This isn't necessarily true though. You have to remember that weed is currently not at a market price, it's at a cartel price. It's not like weed is expensive to grow and maintain. The price is artificially high right now due to the criminal aspect of it. Besides the fact that they can charge whatever they want, thye have to put premiums on it due to all the dangers that come along with being part of the drug trade. Who's to say that even with high tax, it doesn't end up being a lower premium than the current "tax" we pay so they can have armed guards at fields, pay traffickers, I'm sure have some bribes going to politicians, police, and other judicial officials, etc.
It looks like most places see an initial rise in cost that is quickly balanced out as the free market takes hold. I think the government would be smart to find a way to avoid this initial increase to prevent people from returning to black market sources.
However, another affect could be that the black market price plummets initially, as dealers look to get rid of their already harvested stuff as fast as possible.
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People will be willing to pay more simply cause it's easier, especially if you didn't smoke before.
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If you are only looking at the cost in dollars per gram, it probably won't ever be noticeably cheaper. If that is your expectation, you are likely going to be disappointed.
The other costs, like risking jail time or a fine, are eliminated. Consistency of product will likely increase, which will give you a better value for your money. You won't need to travel to Random Pot Dealer's apartment, and instead can pick some up wherever you guy your booze or smokes. The external costs like this are hard to quantify, and I am likely off on how big of an impact this will make, because I don't smoke pot.
I never thought it was going to be a whole lot cheaper. Plus I don't smoke, so I won't be disappointed either way. But it certainly can't be more expensive. Like the article above, there could be a breaking in period, but very shortly, the price should be the same or lower than than it is now. It makes zero sense for it to be more expensive. That wouldn't help the problem at all, and wouldn't make much money for the government. If it is more expensive, you'll still have all the illegal grow ops, and all the crime that goes with them.
I think the article above says it's about 4 bucks cheaper per gram, or 25-33%. That's a noticeable chunk. I know I love a 25% sale on my favorite 12 pack.
I would think they figure out how to make and distribute it cheaper, than adjust the taxes so it stays just below black market value, a sort of sweet spot.
Also realize, that even though it will be taxed and regulated, there will be companies involved, (how close the relationship will be to the government remains to be seen, but there will be companies involved, the government can't undertake this all on their own) and if they can make more money by reducing costs and providing cheaper product, they'll do it. The companies are not out to help the government, they're out to make coin. And competition breeds cheaper products.
Regarding cost, I think a lot of you are greatly underestimating how much people will pay for prestige and "premium" products. And how branding/marketing can influence price.
Walk into decent liquor store today and just look at the vast price differences on plain old vodka, you've got your plastic jug for $18 and your "ultra premium exclusive adjective adjective triple distilled angel tears" vodka for $50-$60 a bottle.
You don't think we'll be seeing velvet lined boxes of weed? Or cigar box "collectors edition" for a 1/4 ounce one day? Or depending on the laws around edibles, artisanal gluten free raw food hand crafted weed brownies?
Sure the price for a gram of ditch weed might bottom out, but if legal weed gets even a fraction of the marketing muscle the alcohol industry has, the cost per toke is gonna go up.
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I never thought it was going to be a whole lot cheaper. Plus I don't smoke, so I won't be disappointed either way. But it certainly can't be more expensive. Like the article above, there could be a breaking in period, but very shortly, the price should be the same or lower than than it is now. It makes zero sense for it to be more expensive. That wouldn't help the problem at all, and wouldn't make much money for the government. If it is more expensive, you'll still have all the illegal grow ops, and all the crime that goes with them.
I think the article above says it's about 4 bucks cheaper per gram, or 25-33%. That's a noticeable chunk. I know I love a 25% sale on my favorite 12 pack.
I would think they figure out how to make and distribute it cheaper, than adjust the taxes so it stays just below black market value, a sort of sweet spot.
Also realize, that even though it will be taxed and regulated, there will be companies involved, (how close the relationship will be to the government remains to be seen, but there will be companies involved, the government can't undertake this all on their own) and if they can make more money by reducing costs and providing cheaper product, they'll do it. The companies are not out to help the government, they're out to make coin. And competition breeds cheaper products.
Even if prices increased slightly, people would still likely use the legal channels. There is more certainty with what you would be getting and most people would rather not have to interact with drug dealers.
In Vancouver, the dispensary is about $10/gram. Street price is closer to $5/gram. People would much rather have the convenience of going to a store, not risking getting arrested, and knowing your getting your favorite rainbow kush (or whatever weed smokers call there stuff).
From the suppliers side of things, it makes less sense to have a random grow op. The risks remain and your customer base has been cut down to a fraction of what it was.
Washington state has seen prices plunge by 40%, but they still remain at $15 USD/gram (or $20 CAD gram):
My brother works at one of the largest dispensaries in Vancouver. I went to visit him a couple weeks ago and he took me for a tour of his shop. As far as pricing goes, it's basically in line with "street" prices. Some strains were cheaper and some were more expensive but it was all in relation to quality of the strain. Overall the prices were quite competitive. Even if the prices were raised a bit, I suspect that most users would gladly pay in exchange for the selection, quality and convenience of being able to purchase weed in a store.
Or depending on the laws around edibles, artisanal gluten free raw food hand crafted weed brownies?.
Edibles should be illegal and punishable by stoning (hah!).
Seriously though.
That crap is SCARY if you don't know what you're doing. Can take hours to kick in by which time anyone who doesn't know what they're doing could eat 10 times the normal amount they should thinking they got a bad batch until it hits them like a freight train while watching Alice in Wonderland and they seriously contemplate suicide in order to stop the ride.
.... At least, that's what I heard...
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Edibles should be illegal and punishable by stoning (hah!).
Seriously though.
That crap is SCARY if you don't know what you're doing. Can take hours to kick in by which time anyone who doesn't know what they're doing could eat 10 times the normal amount they should thinking they got a bad batch until it hits them like a freight train while watching Alice in Wonderland and they seriously contemplate suicide in order to stop the ride.
.... At least, that's what I heard...
Sound like good reasons to have them available in sealed, marked packages with listings of potential side effects, adult dosage, how long it takes to kick in, etc.. Rather than people looking up how to make weed butter and crushing themselves with highly concentrated brownies.
I don't think baked good edibles should be saleable. There's just too much variation possible. Edibles should be like candies or lollypops or other mass produced, individual portioned items. If someone wants to bake their own brownies, let them do it.
This is news to me. Plenty of stores around here selling those things.
They are illegal for pot use. The loop hole is they are sold as "tobacco products". The vaporizers are sold for "herbal use" (some people actually use it for this). Everyone knows what they really use them for but until it actually is used with pot it is classified as a tobacco product like a hookah.
A unused bong is not illegal until you use it illegally.
Edibles should be illegal and punishable by stoning (hah!).
Seriously though.
That crap is SCARY if you don't know what you're doing. Can take hours to kick in by which time anyone who doesn't know what they're doing could eat 10 times the normal amount they should thinking they got a bad batch until it hits them like a freight train while watching Alice in Wonderland and they seriously contemplate suicide in order to stop the ride.
.... At least, that's what I heard...
Wow... That is some grade A fear mongering.
Edibles come with instructions and dosage recomendations based on weight and experience of the user. If your buying it from joe blow or a friend then it could be a little more intense. Any reputable shop tho does provide all of the details needed about a product tho. They only buy from trusted sources, grade a in quality. They test everything that potential sellers are offering with equipment that can show the chemical make up of the batch.
I have never been to a shop since I was issued my medical Marijauna license that has not been able to provide this kind of support. My favorite thing from the dispensary I go to is Chocolate mint Gelato.
Regarding cost, I think a lot of you are greatly underestimating how much people will pay for prestige and "premium" products. And how branding/marketing can influence price.
Walk into decent liquor store today and just look at the vast price differences on plain old vodka, you've got your plastic jug for $18 and your "ultra premium exclusive adjective adjective triple distilled angel tears" vodka for $50-$60 a bottle.
You don't think we'll be seeing velvet lined boxes of weed? Or cigar box "collectors edition" for a 1/4 ounce one day? Or depending on the laws around edibles, artisanal gluten free raw food hand crafted weed brownies?
Sure the price for a gram of ditch weed might bottom out, but if legal weed gets even a fraction of the marketing muscle the alcohol industry has, the cost per toke is gonna go up.
This actually how it works now at dispensaries already . The only differnce is the won't let you in the store without medical cards.
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My wife is a killer gardener, she had tomato plants reaching almost 4' tall before she planted them outside this spring. I don't know anything about weed, I've never had it, but reading into it, it looks like a plant yeilds 5 oz? And you guys are talking about $250 per oz? Holy geez, how much do seeds cost? At first glance you can get seeds for 30 bucks, but I don't know if that's for garbage weed, or what. Seems like everyone would be growing their own weed at those prices.
My wife is a killer gardener, she had tomato plants reaching almost 4' tall before she planted them outside this spring. I don't know anything about weed, I've never had it, but reading into it, it looks like a plant yeilds 5 oz? And you guys are talking about $250 per oz? Holy geez, how much do seeds cost? At first glance you can get seeds for 30 bucks, but I don't know if that's for garbage weed, or what. Seems like everyone would be growing their own weed at those prices.
Growing marijuana can be very tedious and time consuming. Granted, you could get some auto-flowering plants and just throw them in soil and eventually get some low yield bud. But if you want to grow good pot, it takes a bit of work.
First of all, the start up cost (2 different kinds of lights, fans, reflectors, pH meters, moisture meters, fertilizer, pots, electrical, microscope....), it can be quite a lot even for just a small home grow.
Then there is a lot of time spent topping and trimming, monitoring soil pH, room moisture, dealing with the odours, checking tricomes, rotating the plants, watering, keeping a good temperature, harvesting, drying, curing.... It's more work than it sounds like. And it takes several months of daily work, you can't even go on vacation without worrying about it. And if you slip up, mold can destroy all your work in a flash.
Or at least that is what I heard.
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My wife is a killer gardener, she had tomato plants reaching almost 4' tall before she planted them outside this spring. I don't know anything about weed, I've never had it, but reading into it, it looks like a plant yeilds 5 oz? And you guys are talking about $250 per oz? Holy geez, how much do seeds cost? At first glance you can get seeds for 30 bucks, but I don't know if that's for garbage weed, or what. Seems like everyone would be growing their own weed at those prices.
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Growing marijuana can be very tedious and time consuming. Granted, you could get some auto-flowering plants and just throw them in soil and eventually get some low yield bud. But if you want to grow good pot, it takes a bit of work.
First of all, the start up cost (2 different kinds of lights, fans, reflectors, pH meters, moisture meters, fertilizer, pots, electrical, microscope....), it can be quite a lot even for just a small home grow.
Then there is a lot of time spent topping and trimming, monitoring soil pH, room moisture, dealing with the odours, checking tricomes, rotating the plants, watering, keeping a good temperature, harvesting, drying, curing.... It's more work than it sounds like. And it takes several months of daily work, you can't even go on vacation without worrying about it. And if you slip up, mold can destroy all your work in a flash.
Or at least that is what I heard.
Dude said his wife was a gardener, not looking for a inside basement hydroponics hobby.
V, the stuff is called weed which should give you an indication on the difficulties of growing it.
If your wife has mastered the Tomato she should be able to handle a pot plant or two.
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Nature has provided cannabis with the adaptations and hardiness needed to grow in many regions. Specialist selective breeding by the more professional seed suppliers has produced some truly outstanding varieties that will produce excellent ganja in non-tropical northern European climates and even thousands of metres above sea level.For those growers that don’t wish to grow indoors or in greenhouses, outdoor growing is a great and easy way to produce your stash. Growing cannabis outdoors with good quality seed not only gives amazingly powerful weed but it also produces some of the best tasting weed with deep flavours and rich aromas.
The outdoor grower typically grows from April/May to October in the northern hemisphere. Outdoor growers often germinate the seeds indoors and give their plants a headstart by growing them indoors under lights for a few weeks. These plants are often gradually acclimatised to outdoor temperatures before being permanently planted outside as established plants in time for the summer.
It's also possible to start growing cannabis outdoors in the beginning of April, the first weeks under a piece of glass or in a greenhouse. The yield per female plant is between 100 and 400 grams for the different strains. Most of the plants have yields in between. Yields are especially dependent on sowing time, nutrition, and sunlight.
My wife is a killer gardener, she had tomato plants reaching almost 4' tall before she planted them outside this spring. I don't know anything about weed, I've never had it, but reading into it, it looks like a plant yeilds 5 oz? And you guys are talking about $250 per oz? Holy geez, how much do seeds cost? At first glance you can get seeds for 30 bucks, but I don't know if that's for garbage weed, or what. Seems like everyone would be growing their own weed at those prices.
I would most certainly grow for myself if it remains illegal and if I ever own a home. Many people don't get too extravagant, they just create a spacebucket or two and grow from there and have a carbon filter to mask the smell.
There are many people that grow for themselves and their friends. Good way to make a bunch of untaxed cash, I guess.
Dude said his wife was a gardener, not looking for a inside basement hydroponics hobby.
V, the stuff is called weed which should give you an indication on the difficulties of growing it.
If your wife has mastered the Tomato she should be able to handle a pot plant or two.
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I'm just saying, you aren't going to get 5 oz yields if you don't baby the plants. And the stuff you do grow won't be very dense, and therefore less potent. He was questioning why people would buy it when they can just grow it. Sure, some people will still grow their own, but I think for people who want quality, they will buy it from professional growers for the reasons I mentioned. It would be the difference between drinking mouthwash and drinking Hennessey. Both might get you drunk, but people will still pay for the good stuff because making it isn't easy.
Also, that Google search you did talks about growing outside in the "northern hemisphere", but growing outside in Canada (anything other than less potent auto-flowering plants) just doesn't work very well (besides the cold, the changes in light closer to the end of summer will make the plants flower too early). By "northern hemisphere", they probably mean California.
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If your wife has mastered the Tomato she should be able to handle a pot plant or two.
Google tells me this:
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Nature has provided cannabis with the adaptations and hardiness needed to grow in many regions. Specialist selective breeding by the more professional seed suppliers has produced some truly outstanding varieties that will produce excellent ganja in non-tropical northern European climates and even thousands of metres above sea level.For those growers that don’t wish to grow indoors or in greenhouses, outdoor growing is a great and easy way to produce your stash. Growing cannabis outdoors with good quality seed not only gives amazingly powerful weed but it also produces some of the best tasting weed with deep flavours and rich aromas.
The outdoor grower typically grows from April/May to October in the northern hemisphere. Outdoor growers often germinate the seeds indoors and give their plants a headstart by growing them indoors under lights for a few weeks. These plants are often gradually acclimatised to outdoor temperatures before being permanently planted outside as established plants in time for the summer.
It's also possible to start growing cannabis outdoors in the beginning of April, the first weeks under a piece of glass or in a greenhouse. The yield per female plant is between 100 and 400 grams for the different strains. Most of the plants have yields in between. Yields are especially dependent on sowing time, nutrition, and sunlight.
That sounds remarkably similar to growing tomato plants. I built a little bit of a grow up for her in our laundry room, which has windows all around the two exterior walls. Nothing fancy, just some specialty lighting, and some nice shelving, a little bit of humidity control. It works wonders for the tomato plants, and it sounds like it would be killer for pot too.
Somehow I don't see her growing it, though, she doesn't like to ever see me drunk, I can't imagine she'll be okay with ever seeing me high.
All of this pot talk, though, and I have so many questions. I've never done it, and never thought I would, because it's illegal, but if it wasn't, there's a good chance I'd want to experience it. Especially if it'll help me write more and better music.
