I do, however, think that criminal records should remain intact after legalization, the reason being that those people knowingly made a choice to go against the law, unlike the homosexuality analogy used earlier in which those people were imprisoned over something they had no control over.
Even for simple possession? What does that accomplish? You waste taxpayer money keeping an otherwise regular citizen behind bars. Prison is meant to rehabilitate, educate, and serve as a debt payment to society. When weed is legal, there is no longer any need to rehabilitate, educate, and society gains nothing by paying to feed and house these people
Smokers and small time dealers need to have their records expunged. When you move up to trafficking is where I would agree to make them serve their time, as that indicates membership in a larger criminal enterprise
IMO they should have any and all restrictions that apply to both Beer and Cigarettes.
If they do these eight things I'm on board for legalization.
18 or 19 years old to buy.
no usage on public property.
no smoking inside businesses.
no driving under the influence.
using it at work would be cause for action by the employer.
disproportionately high taxes.
increase spending on social addiction programs.
people need to understand this before they legalize it.
If not I don't really care because I haven't done it in like ten years, will probably continue to abstain, and I honestly believe the majority of people who are excited about legalization or pushing for medical use are stupid hippies that need something better to do.
My back is totally gibbled right now, been in spazam for over a week and from the front I look like the letter C. I would love to be able to smoke something right now to take the pain away as nothing is working. Unfortunately, I would never know where to look. Kinda wish the stuff was legal at this moment in time.
Would your GP give you a prescription? More and more are becoming open to the idea and willing to write them for pain. You should then be able to order online.
I would actually be in favour of making the legal age a little higher than the drinking age at first. A lot of 18 and 19 year olds still have high school aged friends and part of the reason for making in legal is to keep it from minors. I think 21 would be good to start with. Most people that age wouldn't be hanging out with people younger than 18.
It's too late probably to change alcohol laws, but since this is starting fresh, might as well start the age higher and you can always move it down after if it is too cautious.
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I would actually be in favour of making the legal age a little higher than the drinking age at first. A lot of 18 and 19 year old still have high school aged friends and part of the reason for making in legal is to keep it from minors. I think 21 would be good to start with. Most people that age wouldn't be hanging out with people younger than 18.
It's too late probably to change alcohol laws, but since this is starting fresh, might as well start the age higher and you can always move it down after if it is too cautious.
There is an issue that came with the 19 and higher drinking ages though. When I went to university, I got to meet a bunch of 18 yearolds from all over the country. Tons of them had a hard time getting alcohol, but were very familiar with crappy man-made, chemical drugs. Then at school, they have a community that could boot for them, they could get abnormally/dangerously drunk due to inexperience, and have fun without the nasty stuff they were doing back home.
Access at 18 should be fine if legalized. It's not hard to get at 13, so 19 or 21 is too much of a jump in my opinion.
I would actually be in favour of making the legal age a little higher than the drinking age at first. A lot of 18 and 19 year olds still have high school aged friends and part of the reason for making in legal is to keep it from minors. I think 21 would be good to start with. Most people that age wouldn't be hanging out with people younger than 18.
It's too late probably to change alcohol laws, but since this is starting fresh, might as well start the age higher and you can always move it down after if it is too cautious.
Minors will always be able to get weed, same as booze. And I think it's hypocritical to tell someone at 18 that they're responsible enough to vote and join the military, but not responsible enough to determine what substances they use
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Another store I have gone to has pretty much the same product at slightly better prices
Yeah, I've started going to one of the ones here in Victoria. I'm not even a huge marijuana fan, actually quit smoking it 10 years ago, but I've been pretty desperate to find something to help with my ADHD, and the stuff they normally prescribe for it (stimulants) absolutely destroys me and turns me into an emotional basket case. Severe anxiety attacks, headaches, insomnia, those stimulants are just the worst. I read some stuff online that they've done some preliminary studies on treating ADHD with weed and had some positive results. Nothing that they could confirm without further research, but as I said, I was feeling pretty desperate. Anyways, it's been a godsend for me so far. A lot of my impulse issues, insomnia, etc., have gotten much better. It's nice to finally be able to sit down and watch a movie for two hours without fidgeting, or needing to get up, or just turning it off after 30 minutes because I can't concentrate. I'm not smoking everyday, usually, only a couple of times a week but it's really helped alleviate a lot of the frustration I was feeling towards life because of my disability.
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Minors will always be able to get weed, same as booze. And I think it's hypocritical to tell someone at 18 that they're responsible enough to vote and join the military, but not responsible enough to determine what substances they use
You can make it 21 to buy, but 18 to use then. Some European countries have similar laws about alcohol (18 to buy, but 16 to consume).
I think you could keep it out of schools a little more at least by making the age a little higher. And I don't think it is hypocritical because they aren't really the same thing. In a democracy, you have the right to vote or make a living in a field that you are qualified for. You don't have a "right" to buy controlled substances, even if they are legally sold.
Yes, they (kids) will find a way to get it illegally and when incidents happen to minors from weed that was purchased legally by friends, it will cause a big hoopla. I would rather avoid that. If the age is 18, you just know that a lot of 18 year old grade 12 students are going to buy it legally to traffic in school, especially when it is still a new thing. The black market will still exist for kids for the time being, but in time I think it will shrink as legalization has time to settle in. At that point, it will be all about making sure that legal pot can be properly controlled. If you start the age at 18 now, it will be harder to move up if need be.
I just don't want some kids ruining the cause by getting bad press and then having the next government change the laws again. Better to be cautious at least at first IMO, then make the laws more relaxed as required. If you make the laws too relaxed from the get-go, then as soon as something goes wrong, all the people who opposed it will have a bone to pick at the next election.
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I would actually be in favour of making the legal age a little higher than the drinking age at first. A lot of 18 and 19 year olds still have high school aged friends and part of the reason for making in legal is to keep it from minors. I think 21 would be good to start with. Most people that age wouldn't be hanging out with people younger than 18.
It's too late probably to change alcohol laws, but since this is starting fresh, might as well start the age higher and you can always move it down after if it is too cautious.
I think that's making things more complicated than needed, and is morally disingenuous.
I would wager the same amount (or very close) of minors that are smoking pot are drinking. In fact, they're usually the same kids. What would making the age higher accomplish? Absolutely nothing. Cept more police work.
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I do, however, think that criminal records should remain intact after legalization, the reason being that those people knowingly made a choice to go against the law, unlike the homosexuality analogy used earlier in which those people were imprisoned over something they had no control over.
Well, I assume that people in jail and records would remain intact. I don't think people got out in Colorado or Washington, and I can't think of a many times when a law was enacted retroactively. But I would disagree with you and hope otherwise. It's pointless, and a burden on the system, not to mention, morally grey against the people who were convicted of the crime.
No reason schools can't have a blanket ban on it on school grounds like they do with alcohol, with severe penalties. Just because you are 18, doesn't mean you can do whatever is legal on school grounds. Will kids still smoke on grounds? Sure. But they did in my day too.
I just don't want some kids ruining the cause by getting bad press and then having the next government change the laws again. Better to be cautious at least at first IMO, then make the laws more relaxed as required. If you make the laws too relaxed from the get-go, then as soon as something goes wrong, all the people who opposed it will have a bone to pick at the next election.
Haha! Do you want 'the kids' to get off your lawn too? Man, there's some interesting ideas brewing behind that sentance. None of them fair.
'The kids' aren't going to be any more responsible for 'bad press' than any other group of people. They're not going to ruin it for anyone. Those damn kids! Always ruining things. Back in my day...
And let me put your mind at ease. If weed does get legalised, it'll be nearly impossible to put the law back. People will for one, realize it's not the bogeyman they were told it was, and two, will probably like it. Remember what happened when they tried to take liquor away? How'd that go?
It's nice to finally be able to sit down and watch a movie for two hours without fidgeting, or needing to get up, or just turning it off after 30 minutes because I can't concentrate.
I would actually be in favour of making the legal age a little higher than the drinking age at first. A lot of 18 and 19 year olds still have high school aged friends and part of the reason for making in legal is to keep it from minors. I think 21 would be good to start with. Most people that age wouldn't be hanging out with people younger than 18.
It's too late probably to change alcohol laws, but since this is starting fresh, might as well start the age higher and you can always move it down after if it is too cautious.
While I don't disagree with the age for weed being higher because of how it can affect the developing teenage brain, I think raising it for Alcohol is a bad idea.
Then you just have kids hiding it from their parents and that's when things get sketchy. Kids turn 18, get too drunk and need help? They'll call there parents. They might not if they're 18 but the legal age is 21.
I'll be curious as to how companies will enforce this in their drug and alcohol testing. With marijuana staying in your system for several weeks, will there be just cause to lay a person off who isn't high at work (aka smoked it on the weekend).
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I think they won't be able to use THC in the blood as grounds for firing someone any more. They'll have to catch them smoking red handed or build up some evidence that they are smoking during work hours.
I'll be curious as to how companies will enforce this in their drug and alcohol testing. With marijuana staying in your system for several weeks, will there be just cause to lay a person off who isn't high at work (aka smoked it on the weekend).
I doubt firing someone under the new laws would stand up to a court challenge.
