[Rumour] Friedman: Flames and Hanifin have made progress on contract extension

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Bonded

He should be going after Maloney if anything. Bean is a weird target and diminishes his 'insiderrrrrr' status lol.

Maloney answers to Bean AFAIK. Maloney and the Coyotes parted ways because Maloney didn’t want to rush a rebuild despite a bit of success and the ownership wanted to sign pricey free agents and hurry things along.

I think Maloney gets a wildly misplaced amount of criticism, considering his actual history vs his assumed history.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes. He's saying Burke had balls, and told ownership what needed to be done. And - importantly - they let him do it. And he's saying Bean is a yes man, so that won't happen now.

The approach sure changed under Treliving. And there was a "mutual parting of the ways" with Burke not long after Treliving was hired. I wonder if Burke staying would really have changed anything. He doesn't seem like a patient guy.

One thing about Conroy is that he has the personality to create the kind of culture and tone at the top that would be attractive to players. The team could use that.

[Eric Vail]

An employee who does what he is hired to do isn't a "yes man". He is a good employee.

An employee who defies his boss and does whatever he wants usually gets fired.

[Bonded]

Bean is the business guy for all of CSEC though. I just don't think he would have much input on the actual hockey side of things.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

If the reason why we've been spinning our wheels is because managers have been too afraid to tell Edwards... my good god

Not sure it that what it means, if that quote is accurate. If that comment is accurate (maybe it is, maybe it isn't), the take away there is Edwards will listen, and is not the necessarily the controlling puppet master some on here make him out to be.

We black and white things too much. I think for many, it's either Edwards is telling everyone what to do, or he's not involved at all. Like almost every single boss / team member relationship in any business, what actually plays out is somewhere in between would be my guess. Edwards likely has thoughts, ideas and probably questions. Which is completely normal. Does his GM / President of Hockey or Ops or team president view his ideas, questions , thoughts as mandates, or something to be worked with or around? Sounds like Burke could get his ideas through to Edwards while still either deflecting, dismissing or incorporating Edwards' feedback, and still drive the direction on the team he wanted and Edwards trust.

If other GMs / Presidents have failed to do that, it could be more of a reflection on them than just Edwards is controlling - would be my take away.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Friedman nailed it on 32 Thoughts in a much gentler way that most of us on here have. He said it’s hard to say goodbye to good players, but if it isn’t working then it isn’t working. I’m sure Hanifin, Lindy and Tanev are great guys and they are all good to great players, but it’s time to move on. Ideally with some futures coming back

True...but we all probably are thinking that those are the guys we would actually want to stay. Letting them go because Huberdeau and Kadri suck and are stuck here is so Flames.

[GullFoss]

John Bean and Don Maloney with regards to their proposed direction for the team:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1714094761923993991

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Bean is the business guy for all of CSEC though. I just don't think he would have much input on the actual hockey side of things.

It’s hard to say.

Maloney has a history of trying to manage a team with patience and make the right hockey moves.

Bean, for not having much input, was comfortable taking ownership of where the team was at and how good they were, and the decision to go with the non-rebuild trade option with Tkachuk.

If we’re basing who should be on the hot seat based on how the two guys operate, it’s more Bean than Maloney imo.

[camm13]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t doubt that guy has a connection to the team but I am trying to think of one thing he has got right?

I only started following the account this summer, but if I recall correctly he had toffoli trade news and failed contract talks out days before it was official.

[Toast_Man]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Is he saying Bean is the problem?

I think he's just guessing. Weird to put the blame on Bean when I'm sure Maloney and Conroy are in contact with Edwards.

[OILFAN #81]

Would be curious to see a poll created if Flames fans were on board with Lindholm/Hanifin signings at this current state.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Would be curious to see a poll created if Flames fans were on board with Lindholm/Hanifin signings at this current state.

I don't think you even need a poll. Have to think it would be an overwhelming no

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Would be curious to see a poll created if Flames fans were on board with Lindholm/Hanifin signings at this current state.

Hanifin - because of his age, for me would 100% depend on a contract vs. trade pieces element.

Lindholm - I'd be on team trade / not sign given the start to the season and his age.

[ah123]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t doubt that guy has a connection to the team but I am trying to think of one thing he has got right?

If I remember correctly, he got the Conroy hiring (or Huska hiring) right before anyone else

[GullFoss]

In a lot of ways, this start to the season is really lucky for the franchise. Imagine if they had started the season 10-0 before sucking and by then Lindholm and Hanifin were signed to extensions!

This start leaves very little room for interpretation as to what this team is. They're not a playoff team and the core is post-apex. It's time for a rebuild.

I think by this point, that has dawned on the players and the front office. Better late than never.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

In a lot of ways, this start to the season is really lucky for the franchise. Imagine if they had started the season 10-0 before sucking and by then Lindholm and Hanifin were signed to extensions!

This start leaves very little room for interpretation as to what this team is. They're not a playoff team and the core is post-apex. It's time for a rebuild.

I think by this point, that has dawned on the players and the front office. Better late than never.

I bolded the above, not because the conclusion is wrong, but on some level, I think associated cause is wrong, and it matters.

Younger is better, but I don't think the issue with our Core right now is their age. I actually don't think the results would be different if we were fielding this exact same team say 4 years ago.

The problem is the Core - is not a core. It's a group of complimentary pieces, being asked to be primary pieces.

For example - Lindholm IMO, while not ideal, can be your #1 centre on a successful team. But there needs to be another key piece or pieces in the top 6 with him that drive the offence. Same with Huberdeau on the wing. He can be a very good addition to your top 6, but he can't be the driver. Kadri can be a very good #2 or 3 centre. But he can't be one of your top 4 players.

This seems to be the issue with the team more so than their age IMO.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I bolded the above, not because the conclusion is wrong, but on some level, I think associated cause is wrong, and it matters.

Younger is better, but I don't think the issue with our Core right now is their age. I actually don't think the results would be different if we were fielding this exact same team say 4 years ago.

The problem is the Core - is not a core. It's a group of complimentary pieces, being asked to be primary pieces.

For example - Lindholm IMO, while not ideal, can be your #1 centre on a successful team. But there needs to be another key piece or pieces in the top 6 with him that drive the offence. Same with Huberdeau on the wing. He can be a very good addition to your top 6, but he can't be the driver. Kadri can be a very good #2 or 3 centre. But he can't be one of your top 4 players.

This seems to be the issue with the team more so than their age IMO.

I think your point about the core not being good enough is complementary to my point.

My point was more that with a team pre-apex you can add pieces or stand still on the roster and have reasons to believe next year will be better than this one. When your roster is post-apex, you're swimming against the tide from a roster construction standpoint. It's really hard to get a post-apex non-playoff team back to the playoffs and even harder to get them back to contention.

On a side note, I still can't figure out who was carrying Huby's line in Florida the year he got 115 points. He played with two middle six player, neither of which seemingly drove play. How did he get 115 points? I think Huby remains the biggest reason to be hopeful.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

On a side note, I still can't figure out who was carrying Huby's line in Florida the year he got 115 points. He played with two middle six player, neither of which seemingly drove play. How did he get 115 points? I think Huby remains the biggest reason to be hopeful.

Yeah, I actually took a look to see if his assists were mostly secondary but they weren't. He was making plays happen

[Paulie Walnuts]

Because Florida played the game really fast it was get the puck and go.

The same thing in Colorado.

These guys are struggling because we want to play more controlled cori stats.

You can still get your corsi stats by playing a rush game.

We lack the team speed to play that way it seems.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Maloney answers to Bean AFAIK. Maloney and the Coyotes parted ways because Maloney didn’t want to rush a rebuild despite a bit of success and the ownership wanted to sign pricey free agents and hurry things along.

I think Maloney gets a wildly misplaced amount of criticism, considering his actual history vs his assumed history.

Maloney was the GM of the Coyotes for 9 years so yeah, he wasn't in a rush. He didn't exactly leave behind a juggernaut.

And his three years as GM of the islanders was rather abysmal.

I really don't believe his role with the club is all that meaningful but there is no evidence that he is all that great at building a contender. He strikes me as a good guy that has been around the game a long time and obviously has learned a thing or two.