[Rumour] Friedman: Flames and Hanifin have made progress on contract extension

[Hockey_Ninja]

Friedman nailed it on 32 Thoughts in a much gentler way that most of us on here have. He said it’s hard to say goodbye to good players, but if it isn’t working then it isn’t working. I’m sure Hanifin, Lindy and Tanev are great guys and they are all good to great players, but it’s time to move on. Ideally with some futures coming back

[bluejays]

FML, I wish Friedman didn't put it eloquently. The Flames have been protected from critique in the media. A large turn in the fanbase is what is needed for ownership to realize they need a rebuild. You can't be rolling back the same garbage. Kadri should also be called out for #### effort, among others. Has anyone called out the team in the media?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Goriders

There’s no way the Flames should be offering anymore contracts to anyone on this team until they figure out what the root cause of the weak performance is.

This is a horrible team and I don’t think they should be locking it in for the better part of a half decade.

...it's the players.

This is what happens when you don't properly build a foundation for a team - and this dates back to the beginning of the Tree run. Poor foundation = no stability.

Flames need to build a roster with an elite #1 centre and elite #1 defenceman.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

...it's the players.

This is what happens when you don't properly build a foundation for a team - and this dates back to the beginning of the Tree run. Poor foundation = no stability.

Flames need to build a roster with an elite #1 centre and elite #1 defenceman.

The Flames just don’t have a franchise player. You can build a contending team as long as you have franchise talent. If this team had Gaudreau and Tkachuk instead of Kadri and Huberdeau I think they could still be a contending team with their deep blueline and good goaltending. Those 3 propped Lindholm up to be a much better offensive player than he has shown.

The fact this team lost their 2 franchise players in one summer and thought they could stay a contender is a massive miscalculation. Selke and Vezina finalist with a HOF Jack Adams winner gave management more confidence in their group than they should have.

[dino7c]

Tkachuk maybe, nobody is building a championship team around Gaudreau

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Tkachuk maybe, nobody is building a championship team around Gaudreau

Someone just bumped a thread to blow it up back in 2021.

People have short memories about Johnny, Monny and Tkachuk.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Flames just don’t have a franchise player. You can build a contending team as long as you have franchise talent. If this team had Gaudreau and Tkachuk instead of Kadri and Huberdeau I think they could still be a contending team with their deep blueline and good goaltending. Those 3 propped Lindholm up to be a much better offensive player than he has shown.

Exactly. Lindholm is a great player with a lot of skill but he's never going to be the one that drives a line and creates the opportunities.
We don't have that franchise player that can drive the offense and create something out of nothing anymore.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Goriders

There’s no way the Flames should be offering anymore contracts to anyone on this team until they figure out what the root cause of the weak performance is.

This is a horrible team and I don’t think they should be locking it in for the better part of a half decade.

They can offer fair value with no trade protection

Take it or don't

Actual fair value

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Someone just bumped a thread to blow it up back in 2021.

People have short memories about Johnny, Monny and Tkachuk.

Yep, revisionist history for sure

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Friedman walking back the Hanifin extension talks. This start is putting things on pause

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Tkachuk maybe, nobody is building a championship team around Gaudreau

I think this team needed both to stay in the contending window. Had they lost one I don’t think they would have been able to maintain. Had they been able to keep that top line together I think they would have remained one of the best lines in the league and therefore the Flames would have remained a top tier team in the west.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think this team needed both to stay in the contending window. Had they lost one I don’t think they would have been able to maintain. Had they been able to keep that top line together I think they would have remained one of the best lines in the league and therefore the Flames would have remained a top tier team in the west.

Huberdeau and Kadri are 17.5 million.

Tkachuk and Johnny was going to be 21-22 million.

They would have squeezed out our depth.

The team was in need of another defenceman in free agency.

Mangiapane is probably gone in that scenario.

We would have had the Wally Fogeles on our 2nd line.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Huberdeau and Kadri are 17.5 million.

Tkachuk and Johnny was going to be 21-22 million.

They would have squeezed out our depth.

The team was in need of another defenceman in free agency.

Mangiapane is probably gone in that scenario.

We would have had the Wally Fogeles on our 2nd line.

Excellent point

Flames would be better than now but likely not good enough. Gaudreau has taken a major step back too. He is not a top scorer anymore.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Huberdeau and Kadri are 17.5 million.

Tkachuk and Johnny was going to be 21-22 million.

They would have squeezed out our depth.

The team was in need of another defenceman in free agency.

Mangiapane is probably gone in that scenario.

We would have had the Wally Fogeles on our 2nd line.

Mangiapane has been very much overpaid the past 2 seasons. The flames are lucky he didn’t lock into a 7x7 deal after he broke out for 35 goals. It is not like the depth scoring is some kind of strength for this team right now

[ComixZone]

Twitter "insider":

https://twitter.com/user/status/1719009266777096660

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Twitter "insider":

https://twitter.com/user/status/1719009266777096660

I don’t doubt that guy has a connection to the team but I am trying to think of one thing he has got right?

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Huberdeau and Kadri are 17.5 million.

Tkachuk and Johnny was going to be 21-22 million.

They would have squeezed out our depth.

The team was in need of another defenceman in free agency.

Mangiapane is probably gone in that scenario.

We would have had the Wally Fogeles on our 2nd line.

Depth is completely overrated on this board

You win with stars . Keep acquiring stars to win . Vegas traded depth over and over to acquire stars .

It is a lot easier to replace depth then to find stars and superstars

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Mangiapane has been very much overpaid the past 2 seasons. The flames are lucky he didn’t lock into a 7x7 deal after he broke out for 35 goals. It is not like the depth scoring is some kind of strength for this team right now

Yeah but at the time he was a 35 goal scorer who we would have had to trade away.

The point stands that the extensions would have depleted the depth of the team.

Zadorov, Mangiapane all gone and we also needed to add to the backend.

The team would likely be in the same situation with those two and as said by dino Johnny has taken a step back which isn't surprising.

SO instead of 10 threads of people complaining about Huberdeau it would be Gaudreau.

Gullfoss would be throwing tomatoes at Tkachuk for getting Sutter fired.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Excellent point

Flames would be better than now but likely not good enough. Gaudreau has taken a major step back too. He is not a top scorer anymore.

Yeah , only thing is Gaudreau and Tkachuk were proven to be effective as a Flames. Treliving just couldn’t figure out how to fill the rest of the roster to win.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t doubt that guy has a connection to the team but I am trying to think of one thing he has got right?

I mean it's not exactly a hot take that the start would have a major impact on potential contracts

Flames are actually in a better position with basically zero pressure to sign any of these guys.