[GDT] No Goods at Flames

[Erick Estrada]

I’m just glad that they are practicing 3 on 3 again even if the result wasn’t there in a meaningless preseason game.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

No one is saying that.

This game looked a lot like last year. Shot volume, no skill on display. Flames gave up next to nothing to a farm team, and Vladar looked good.

Would have liked to have seen some offensive flair from our “new look” is all. It’s not unfounded criticism.

It's a tired rhetoric that really didn't apply last night.

But I suspect we are going to hear this refrain every single time the Flames don't score 4 or more goals this year.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

See Pelletier.

And then understand why players don't give two ####s about preseason.

As much as fans want to see them get it going, this is just basically a rec skate for them and then first 15-20 games of the season are them getting into the groove of things.

This is why most of the teams that win Stanley Cups turn it on towards the end of the season in the 2nd half as they seem to get their stuff together.

Exactly.

Also, players are working on specific things (usually defensive or structural). They are working on timing, trying new set plays, etc.

Not scoring 10 goals doesn't mean 'it's just like last year'. I mean, they already did have a 10 goal game. Was that just like last year?

In pre-season, the "NHL team" rarely dominates the "AHL team" because the former has their own agenda, and the latter is fighting for jobs.

Hardly seems like a reason to whine that it's just like last year.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Elias and Noah have work to do if they want to see contracts anywhere near their asks, with the Flames or anywhere else.

For guys going into contract years, neither looks particularly engaged.

Noah letting Holloway rip by him is embarrassing, but I suppose for now we'll chalk it up to preseason.

Last night's (pre-season) game is going to be a big talking point, for sure, when contract negotiations get underway for his next deal.

[1_Flames_Fan]

Is anyone else completely blown away from what Wills said that they never practiced 3 on 3 last season even once! I can't even comprehend that. 3 on 3 OT is a huge part of today's game. And especially with how terrible their record was in OT last season. WTF was Sutter thinking.

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

This is the way. Since 1990 .

Wouldnt it be since the 80s? Pains me to say this but is there really a battle of alberta? 1-5 in series vs them, 1-5 in cups, most recent BOA won by them in 5 games

Hard to type that, truth really does hurt...

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

Is anyone else completely blown away from what Wills said that they never practiced 3 on 3 last season even once! I can't even comprehend that. 3 on 3 OT is a huge part of today's game. And especially with how terrible their record was in OT last season. WTF was Sutter thinking.

It was discussed all throughout last season, but yes, it is astounding. Especially when you look at their OT record (5-12), and the fact that they missed the playoffs by 2 points.

[Manhattanboy]

Anyone else of the view that 3-3 OT and shootouts are among the worst parts of hockey?

I used to like OT and maybe I’m jaded because of our record lately, but both are gimmicky ways of awarding important points in the standings and I think impair the integrity of the game. Shootouts in particular.

[Goriders]

I like the 3 on 3. Better than a coin toss. Super fun to watch.

The shootout is essentially a coin toss

[Manhattanboy]

Of course I would be singing a different tune if we still had a bona fide OT specialist like Johnny.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Anyone else of the view that 3-3 OT and shootouts are among the worst parts of hockey?

I used to like OT and maybe I’m jaded because of our record lately, but both are gimmicky ways of awarding important points in the standings and I think impair the integrity of the game. Shootouts in particular.

They just need to fix the point system

3-2-1 point system would eliminate that gimmick aspect for me.

Winning in regulation and winning in a shootout giving you the same amount of points is stupid though.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Anyone else of the view that 3-3 OT and shootouts are among the worst parts of hockey?

I used to like OT and maybe I’m jaded because of our record lately, but both are gimmicky ways of awarding important points in the standings and I think impair the integrity of the game. Shootouts in particular.

Yes...Shootouts are an abberation to the game IMO. Its a team game being settled by individual performances.

I dont mind the 3 on 3 because of the reason it was implemented to begin with.

Want games settled by guys on the ice as often as possible in the time frame a game is allotted for broadcasters. 3 on 3 takes away a lot of the defensive acumen of teams because of all the open ice it provides.

[1_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

They just need to fix the point system

3-2-1 point system would eliminate that gimmick aspect for me.

Winning in regulation and winning in a shootout giving you the same amount of points is stupid though.

I have always thought that was a fantastic idea. More incentive to actually go for it and win. When 3 on 3 first came out it was fantastic. Run and gun, crazy chances back and forth. The coaches coached the fun out of it which was their job I guess but the points system you suggest might bring that back again.

[Enoch Root]

I don't mind 3 on 3, and I agree - just make it a 3-2-1 point system.

But I would also be happy if they just dropped the SO. No goal in OT? Fine, it's a tie.

[transplant99]

Also think that they could tweak the OT rules that would increase the liklihood a goal is scored in the first 5 minutes of an OT.

As simple as once you have control of the puck past the center line on the oppositions side of the ice, you cannot carry it back past your own blue line willingly to allow line changes and such.

[Nelson]

I’ve been thinking about Marc Savard’s comments on the postgame show, and I’d like to see the Flames try some new lines.

Savard said that Coronato can really shoot the puck, that Kadri doesn’t distribute the puck very well/much, and that the team may need to find Coronato someone who distributes the puck.

So, what about this?

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Sharangovich
Mangiapane - Kadri - Dube
Coleman - Backlund - Coronato
Ruzicka/Hunt - Rooney/Ruzicka - Duehr

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by redmile04

Wouldnt it be since the 80s? Pains me to say this but is there really a battle of alberta? 1-5 in series vs them, 1-5 in cups, most recent BOA won by them in 5 games

Hard to type that, truth really does hurt...

I'll admit our playoff record against them sucks, but in the regular season the Flames have owned the Oilers for long stretches. Lets not forget that the Flames all time record against the Oilers in the regular season is 131-107-19-6. From 2011 until 2018 the Oilers were the Flames regular season whipping boys. We owned them.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Rejean31

I'll admit our playoff record against them sucks, but in the regular season the Flames have owned the Oilers for long stretches. Lets not forget that the Flames all time record against the Oilers in the regular season is 131-107-19-6. From 2011 until 2018 the Oilers were the Flames regular season whipping boys. We owned them.

Neither franchise has much to be proud of since 1990…..

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I’ve been thinking about Marc Savard’s comments on the postgame show, and I’d like to see the Flames try some new lines.

Savard said that Coronato can really shoot the puck, that Kadri doesn’t distribute the puck very well/much, and that the team may need to find Coronato someone who distributes the puck.

So, what about this?

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Sharangovich
Mangiapane - Kadri - Dube
Coleman - Backlund - Coronato
Ruzicka/Hunt - Rooney/Ruzicka - Duehr

Huberdeau distributes the puck

If Coronato looks like he may work with Lindholm and Huberdeau then I’d like to see a long look at it

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Huberdeau distributes the puck

If Coronato looks like he may work with Lindholm and Huberdeau then I’d like to see a long look at it

Agreed. It would be pretty easy to switch Coronato and Sharangovich. I put Sharangovich with Huberdeau because of the comparisons between Duclair and Sharangovich that people seem to be making.