[GDT] No Goods at Flames

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It's been pretty clear to me that Huska has been picking which veterans to dress because he wants to try different combinations on special teams. As soon as a penalty gets called, the kids disappear from the ice and the vets rotate dance partners for the next two minutes.

I don't have a problem with that.

You should have problem with that. Since 1991 that what every flames coach has done and we mandated to be the top of the leugue. Right???? RIGHt??

[DeluxeMoustache]

That’s a mind bender.

I want to say… yes?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The over-reactions are hilarious

The Oilers never had a sniff, the whole game. The Backlund goal should have counted, and then it's 2-0 with 3 minutes left.

Oh no, they lost an OT game in the pre-season... FIRE EVERYBODY!!!

Absolutely ridiculous reactions to this game, like to the point where it feels like everyone is doing a parody of "angry mid season CP", lol. So dumb.

[Sofa GM]

I was at the game and Noah Hanifin is brutal. Has to be one of the most overrated defenseman in the league. Very clear why Conroy isn’t getting any decent offers for him. You could out two eggs in his hockey pants and there wouldn’t be a single crack in either of them at the end of the game, and then couple that with his defensive zone gaffs and his absolute muffin shot from the point….my goodness. The play completely dies when the puck gets on his stick in the offensive zone.

Fans should be expecting a return like a 2nd round pick + B prospect at best…..it’s really bad.

[iloveicedhockey]

What a melodramatic reaction to a single performance in a preseason game.

Edit: perhaps the above is a bit.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

What a melodramatic reaction to a single performance in a preseason game.

Not a single performance, that’s Noah Hanifin on a game to game basis. Perfect example of a player that has a ton of tools and no tool box.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I was at the game and Noah Hanifin is brutal. Has to be one of the most overrated defenseman in the league. Very clear why Conroy isn’t getting any decent offers for him. You could out two eggs in his hockey pants and there wouldn’t be a single crack in either of them at the end of the game, and then couple that with his defensive zone gaffs and his absolute muffin shot from the point….my goodness. The play completely dies when the puck gets on his stick in the offensive zone.

Fans should be expecting a return like a 2nd round pick + B prospect at best…..it’s really bad.

Elias and Noah have work to do if they want to see contracts anywhere near their asks, with the Flames or anywhere else.

For guys going into contract years, neither looks particularly engaged.

Noah letting Holloway rip by him is embarrassing, but I suppose for now we'll chalk it up to preseason.

[Textcritic]

I swear, it's like some of you guys have never watched the preseason before.

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[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I was at the game and Noah Hanifin is brutal. Has to be one of the most overrated defenseman in the league. Very clear why Conroy isn’t getting any decent offers for him. You could out two eggs in his hockey pants and there wouldn’t be a single crack in either of them at the end of the game, and then couple that with his defensive zone gaffs and his absolute muffin shot from the point….my goodness. The play completely dies when the puck gets on his stick in the offensive zone.

Fans should be expecting a return like a 2nd round pick + B prospect at best…..it’s really bad.

I thought he and Tanev were our best pairing when they were finally put together last year. He seems to play more dynamically and generate more offense with a partner like Tanev. Also, he was great with Andersson 2 years ago.

I think you are forgetting it was a preseason game, a new system and that he's still shaking off some rust.

[iloveicedhockey]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Not a single performance, that’s Noah Hanifin on a game to game basis. Perfect example of a player that has a ton of tools and no tool box.

So it was hyperbole then. The stats say the exact opposite and every GM in the league would bite your hand off for a second and B prospect, even as a rental.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

So what do you guys think of Sharangovich so far?

[memphusk]

Hanafin is what he is. He's not going to explode. He's a middle pairing d man on a middling team.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Hanafin is what he is. He's not going to explode. He's a middle pairing d man on a middling team.

He's just not though.

14th ranked defenseman in the league over the past 3 seasons for xGF%.

If you watch scoring chances and conversions and nothing but you can certainly form a negative opinion on the guy. But you'd be missing the talent and speed to get into those positions and all the other things he does well.

I'd say he's not a top pairing guy on the top ten teams, but he's a top pairing defender on the other 22.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I actually don't see Hanifin as a dynamic offensive defencemen. This is not to say that I think he is bad - he is certainly a very good defencemen, and if the Flames lose him, I think it is a hole that would probably set them back.


Hanifin is a fantastic 'minute-muncher' in my opinion. He has the size, the speed AND agility to cover most forwards in the NHL, and he does it well. I think he moves the puck up the ice well - equally great with using his passing ability, or by skating the puck up himself. I don't worry about him turning pucks over in transition. I am sure there will be some youtube videos of that happening at times, but nobody is perfect, and I am sure there are plenty of videos of Lidstrom looking terrible on youtube. I love and appreciate everything from Hanifin's game from behind his own net, to protecting the front of the net, to stuffing pucks entering the zone, to quickly moving pucks out mistake-free through the neutral zone, right up and just inside the offensive zone where he does a great job usually of keeping pucks in and not allowing pucks and players by him. In my opinion, he is nearly elite through all of the above.



Where I think Hanifin's game specifically lacks is having that offensive ability, or even acumen. He doesn't have a good shot, and he often kills plays himself by taking shots at the goalie without screens. This is literally the only thing about Hanifin's game that annoys me - when the Flames are pressuring the other team and you can see the other team getting tired, I all too often see Hanifin winding up for a big shot against a goalie that is already in position and with a clear line of sight (no traffic), and the goalie calmly catches it and gets the whistle. This is the only infuriating part of his entire game to me. Everything else is at a very high level, but he tries these low-percentage shots too many times, and it should NEVER be attempted when the Flames have that pressure.



Everything else about Hanifin is at a high-level, and I otherwise don't get the complaining. I actually think he will look better this year in Calgary with a faster transition. Bouwmeester looked like a giant turd here in every single season under Brent Sutter. Go look at that stats. Then look at the stats under Hartley for that lockout half-season and see how much better he did statistically - and I thought he was even better than the stats showed. I think Hanifin is similar to Bouwmeester in many ways, and that's not a knock against him in the slightest.


Hanifin has looked consistently good defensively and in transition under every head coach so far. I think he looks better in a faster transition. I just don't think he will ever look really good as a PPQB. I thought Brodie was 'fine' as a PPQB only because he was a more gifted passer than Hanifin is, but if he wasn't a good playmaker, Brodie would have no business being on the PP. Andersson, Weegar - that's your PPQBs on the team, and when Kylington is back, he should get some reps there too.



Every player has strengths and weaknesses, and I guarantee that forcing other players to play more minutes and against tougher opponents will quickly show how much Hanifin will be missed. I don't think the Flames should re-sign him to a huge long term deal (anything starting with 8 is completely out of the question, for instance), but the minute he leaves he will be missed.

[reddude]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Absolutely ridiculous reactions to this game, like to the point where it feels like everyone is doing a parody of "angry mid season CP", lol. So dumb.

I 100% agree people have to relax its preseason it's about gauging where the young players are at with development and where players are going to slot and play with.

veterans going 75% and, in all fairness, flames were the better team they got jobbed on backs goal and should have won you will see in the next few games more veterans and they will ramp it up as regular seasons draws near yes it was a loss to division rival but means nothing.

[Naitix]

Never understand getting emotionally invested in pre season games. Every year ahl squads who quite literally have potential millions on the line beat nhl vets who just try not to get injured, and every year people freak out. Hanifin and Lindholm are entering contract years, and do you know what players don’t use in contract negotiations? Pre season performance. Getting injured for any of them before regular season would be the worst case scenario, they will turn it up when games actually matter and there are eyes watchig. The only thing that matters in pre season are rookies and positives from the vets.


I thought Huby and Kadri both looked great, Huby with lots of great small plays and great board wokr, some amazing passes too. Kadri is gonna be way better this year.

Solovyov and Osterle both looked great and will make the team. Poirier is gonna be a stud for us in the future, his first game back and he “gets” 2 points.

Vladar is looking great, it totally makes sense for Flames to keep him so that he solidifies himself as a guy who needs to be given a starters job (and then we trade him or Markstrom).

Coronato is also going to make the team, you can see how great he is, great puck touches and smart choices, gets open and knows where to go. You can see he is still adjusting to NHL pace and does run out of time, but it will come, his release is super fast he just needs to learn his spots on the ice.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Bingo

He's just not though.

14th ranked defenseman in the league over the past 3 seasons for xGF%.

If you watch scoring chances and conversions and nothing but you can certainly form a negative opinion on the guy. But you'd be missing the talent and speed to get into those positions and all the other things he does well.

I'd say he's not a top pairing guy on the top ten teams, but he's a top pairing defender on the other 22.

I agree, and I just wanted to add to this. Hanifin kind of suffers from the Brodie syndrome. He has all the tools, he's young, so we, as fans, expect great things out of him. We're all cheering for him and want him to take the next step into the elite D category. That's why we put him under the microscope, and every mistake, or bad game of his is magnified.

Brodie was an absolutely great first pairing D in both CGY, and TOR, but all fans kept talking about were his giveaways, and bad reads.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

You should have problem with that. Since 1991 that what every flames coach has done and we mandated to be the top of the leugue. Right???? RIGHt??

That's what every coach does on every team. I guess the NHL is run by idiots and would do so much better with you in charge. Right???? RIGHt??

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

So what do you guys think of Sharangovich so far?

He has been really quiet, but, it's training camp and it will likely take some time.

Nevertheless, there are a few noticable things...

• his shot is there; it hasn't produced anything, but you can see it.
• he skates very well.
• he has been really good on the penalty kill.

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[Ped]

Hanifin reminds me a lot of Jeff Norton.