[PGT] Flames lose 4-2, trail series 2-1

[CGY12]

If i'm Sutter, I do the following;

Jarnkrok/Dube - Dube/Jarnkrok - Taffoli
Mang - Backlund - Coleman
Lucic - Ruzicka - Lewis

[Duffalufagus]

How about we lay some blame at Sutter’s feet. He’s kept that Backlund/Bread/Toffoli line together for weeks and they haven’t done anything. Middle six has done nothing this series. In 9 periods. Switch it up.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Shesterkin allowed 4 goals on 15 shots and was pulled

Markstrom allowed 4 in 3 games "not elite"

That is not venting that is just stupid

Flames and Stars are intentionally playing low-event hockey. Because of this, both goalies numbers are inflated. You could put Vladar in Dallas' net and he would post some strong numbers. I'm not sure whether Markstrom is elite, but he sure doesn't look like 2004 Kipper, or 2012-14 Quick for that matter.

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I thought he was good, but it's not enough.
Dallas's top line has been 1 goal better than our top line 2 games in a row now and that's all that matters.

Would be great if our supposed depth would step up too, but our top line still needs to outdo theirs most games.
We are talking about a line most considered the best in the league this season.

Agree. But it ain’t on Johnny. Cast your critical eye at Tkachuk. He’s the problem. And nay have a broken hand. For being wreckless and stupid.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Stampede2TheCup

With the parity in the league and a lower proportion of teams making it nowadays, I think it’s silly to expect a top seed to automatically dominate a low one. Florida right now is another case in point. Dallas had goaltending issues this season but with Oettinger they got won at a pace to get 104 points on the season. Dallas was also a cup finalist two years ago. There’s also a long history of NHL teams riding hot goalies to success in the playoffs.

I have a question for anyone who is upset because they think the Flames should be running the table. Have you:
a) not been watching Sutter’s press conferences all season?
b) were watching Sutter’s press conferences while thinking he built an elite team but decided not to believe a word he said about expectations for and the status of the team?

As much some may think Sutter has no clue at all about hockey since he’s got his team down 2-1 in this series, I think his press conferences are full of hockey wisdom and you’re missing out if you don’t consume them.

This is a really good point. I always just thought it was him playing psychology games.

But he actually really understood how fragile his team was.

[The Boy Wonder]

Flames are taking perimeter shots and making Oettinger look good.

It’s pathetic for a Sutter coached team. Play between the whistles, go to the net hard and get traffic.

[Duffalufagus]

It’s amazing to me that people even think about posting about Markstrom.

[Stampede2TheCup]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

Agree. But it ain’t on Johnny. Cast your critical eye at Tkachuk. He’s the problem. And nay have a broken hand. For being wreckless and stupid.

If he hurt his hand, it wasn’t wreckless, it was wreckful!

[meh]

Originally Posted by woob

I was just thinking that as well. Who else can we put on PP1, this guy is clearly cursed right now and we need to be taking advantage of those powerplays.

He’s our new James Neal.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

Agree. But it ain’t on Johnny. Cast your critical eye at Tkachuk. He’s the problem. And nay have a broken hand. For being wreckless and stupid.

Oh believe me, I agree fully. Tkachuk is driving me insane.

[nieuwy-89]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Flames and Stars are intentionally playing low-event hockey. Because of this, both goalies numbers are inflated. You could put Vladar in Dallas' net and he would post some strong numbers. I'm not sure whether Markstrom is elite, but he sure doesn't look like 2004 Kipper, or 2012-14 Quick for that matter.

Nor does he look like 2022 Oetinger.

Again, not blaming him. Flames forwards have sucked and are the reason we are down 2-1.

But $6M Markstrom is the second best goalie in this series.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

Wut? It’s the playoffs. They are one goal games in this series. What are your thoughts on the two time defending champ bolts? Blown out in two games.

Flames win Monday and have home ice. Winning is hard in the playoffs.

Winning in the playoffs isn't hard, look at Colorado. Winning is hard for some teams. 3 goals in 3 games is unacceptable, full stop.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

you can also bring in Ruczzyzkza

Oh hell yes. Who is the weak link that he replaces?

I personally wouldn't hate putting rosey straight into Jarnkrok's spot for a game.

[Stampede2TheCup]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

This is a really good point. I always just thought it was him playing psychology games.

But he actually really understood how fragile his team was.

I took thing as that the playoffs are very different and the team hadn’t proven anything in the playoffs. He shunned talk about winning the division beyond making the playoffs and winning home ice. He talked about how playoff expectations for the team have been overinflated in the past. Doing how they did in the regular season is a better base for playoff success, but they needed to learn and prove they can win in the playoffs.

I’m not all doomsday about our play though. Dallas with Oettinger playing this well is a tough team. Next game is a huge one!

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Kudos to the optimists who think the Flames have what it takes to turn this series around.

They're all drunk. Alcohol makes people say weird things.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by nieuwy-89

Nor does he look like 2022 Oetinger.

Again, not blaming him. Flames forwards have sucked and are the reason we are down 2-1.

But $6M Markstrom is the second best goalie in this series.

I get what you're saying/implying but you're saying that cause its 2 1 Dallas. The guy has given up 4 goals in 3 games.

Ottinger is playing the way he is because the Flames have no net presence, are getting very few 2nd and 3rd opportunities and taking a lot of perimeter shots. The teams in front of the goalies have a large part to play for Markstrom being the 2nd best goalie in the series thus far, regardless of how either goalie is actually playing.

Life is very easy for Ottinger. It helps when Tkachuk is more concerned with being a tough guy.

[Stampede2TheCup]

Today I leaned there can never be two goalies playing well in a series. The one who lets in more always sucks or at the very least is getting outmatched.

[GullFoss]

Wow is this thread negative.

Flames played well, finally got rolling and got behind Dallas defense. I was more worried after game 2 than I am now. Could they lose the series? sure it's possible, but I don't think it likely.

Flames deserved a better fate, and would have had the game if they played the whole game like the 2nd and 3rd.

Good things are going to come there way

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Wow is this thread negative.

Flames played well, finally got rolling and got behind Dallas defense. I was more worried after game 2 than I am now. Could they lose the series? sure it's possible, but I don't think it likely.

Flames deserved a better fate, and would have had the game if they played the whole game like the 2nd and 3rd.

Good things are going to come there way

when you are blaming puck luck, your team isn't good enough

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by nieuwy-89

Nor does he look like 2022 Oetinger.

Again, not blaming him. Flames forwards have sucked and are the reason we are down 2-1.

But $6M Markstrom is the second best goalie in this series.

They also have different people shooting on them.
Joe Pavelski now has 64 playoff goals and 14 game winners, more than any active NHL player I read tonight.

I said this earlier, but swap the goalies and the Markstrom is the best goalle is the series and Pavelski is scoring on Oettinger.
When comparing goalies, you have to consider the quality of shooters they're facing too. Our elite forwards are not being elite.