[Trade] Seattle trades Pitlick to the Flames for a 2022 4th round pick

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

This is the real question and it doesn't seem to get talked about.

But we can go on and on for pages about a fricken 4th round pick and deep analysis on net draft picks.

Right - it's not like a 4th rounder is a huge thing to give up and it's not like 1.8Mx1 for a bottom six winger is a huge contract, so there isn't a ton of downside here. It's just confusing. Why bother?

The only explanation I guess is that the Flames' pro scouts think last year was an anomaly and he's closer to the double digit goal / ~30 point version, but even there I feel like there are guys who will be available for 1.8M in the bargain bin later in the summer. That's more than what Duclair signed for last season, for example.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I sure don't get this chart. He's above average in all but 3 categories, and above his total mark in all but one. and it ranks his even strength offence at 60% but ES Defence (his strength) at 27%. This is a guy who gets Selke votes.

You’re right somethings off, I reposted this one but I’ll get the refreshed one that should factor in this season

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

... Someone explain to me why you couldn't get a comparable player for free off waivers or in free agency for around league min?


I guess he's kind of good at defence and otherwise a nothing player?

I'm not going to pretend that I've watched this player under a microscope.

I haven't.

But if he's 83rd percentile defensively five on five while getting the tough matchups (91st percentile) he's not a nothing player.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Backlund has 3 years remaining. There's a not a ton left there. I have a hard time comprehending how anyone can compare it to Lucic.

It's also a contract that is pretty comparable to plenty of other players at Backlund's level. It's about what Boston pays Coyle for less points, what Edmonton pays RNH for a couple more points and worse D, what Pageau makes, etc. It's a tad high but not stupidly so.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Right - it's not like a 4th rounder is a huge thing to give up and it's not like 1.8Mx1 for a bottom six winger is a huge contract, so there isn't a ton of downside here. It's just confusing. Why bother?

The only explanation I guess is that the Flames' pro scouts think last year was an anomaly and he's closer to the double digit goal / ~30 point version, but even there I feel like there are guys who will be available for 1.8M in the bargain bin later in the summer. That's more than what Duclair signed for last season, for example.

Never understood why Flames didnt take a flyer on Duclair.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by neo45

You’re right somethings off, I reposted this one but I’ll get the refreshed one that should factor in this season

I just don't know how all the categories fit into the final "grade". Maybe they're weighted differently, maybe they have nothing to do with it. I just don't get it. I also don't know if it's position based.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Not going to lose sleep over a 4th round pick but I question Flames pro scouting as they have been poor in identifying role players going back to Brouwer. Seems like the Flames are trying to build a roster of muckers for Darryl. Not sure that's going to lead to a lot of success as the team lacks scoring talent.

You need to improve the bottom half of your roster and the top half of your roster.

It's not a fork in the road.

If they trade for replacement level players I'll be on board in complaining about expending picks. If they have trouble getting UFAs to sign in Calgary and a 4th gets them a shut down winger I'm all for the positive step forward.

Don't think that precludes adding to the top six in any way.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Don't think that precludes adding to the top six in any way.

I suppose we will see as if they are going to add a top 6 forward it will likely be this weekend as I don't see much available in free agency.

[PepsiFree]

My favourite part about those WAR graphics is that I have to assume people have no idea what half of it means, especially in the context of other players.

"Hey man, you see this? Red. That's right. Red. That's bad. It means STOP! You know what else is red? Blood. Anyways I hate this player."

Or maybe I'm just projecting. I am quite stupid.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I am quite stupid.

Admission is the first step to recovery!

[cral12]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I would say second round actually.

Johnny, Brodie, (maybe even Kulak) say hi...

(re: scouts doin' their best work in 4th rnd)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by cral12

Johnny, Brodie, (maybe even Kulak) say hi...

(re: scouts doin' their best work in 4th rnd)

Those were 10 years ago (9 for Kulak). If we are extending time, on that basis the Flames did their best work in rounds that don't exist any more. Fleury, Loob, Suter, Hrdina, Makarov, Titov were all 8-12 rounders.

But lately, Dube, Andersson, Kylington (I still like him). Heck, Granlund has 335 games. And then there's Joe N.

[Tkachukwagon]

Au revoir Pitlick, thanks for the zero memories. Enjoy Montreal.

[Firebot]

I saw this thread and had nightmares that the Flames somehow traded back for Pitlick after trading him away.

[OutOfTheCube]

Yuck, what a waste of a pick. Oh well.

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Yuck, what a waste of a pick. Oh well.

Two picks really, one to get him and the 5th to dump him I think.

Another whiff by the pro scouts, let’s hope they learn from it going forward.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Two picks really, one to get him and the 5th to dump him I think.

Another whiff by the pro scouts, let’s hope they learn from it going forward.

Assets get moved all the time

[Strange Brew]

Surprised at how bad he was. Sure hope a mid round pick gets us a lot better player at the deadline.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by rhino

Assets get moved all the time

As do liabilities.

[GioforPM]

Decent player who has his career derailed by injuries I think. His initial problem was being drafted by Edmonton - that will set any player back.