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Old 10-09-2020, 08:00 PM   #441
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The interview with Woodley from In Goal magazine today on the Fan was great.

He talks about their specific analytics show how a goalie does when it comes to

He said they can then plug a goalie from one team into another and see how they'd do. He said Markstrom thrives at the types of shots Calgary allows (unscreened shots and breakaways), and would have allowed 50 less goals than Talbot and Rittich did. Apparently Markstrom lead the league in saving those types of shots.

He also said Talbot specifically struggles with what Calgary allows the most of.

Sounds like a really smart way to analyze new goalies, and like this might be a potential home run for the Flames.
It’s so damning that breakaways are one of our defining types of shots allowed.

Breakaways shouldn’t happen. Stop letting people get behind you.

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Gotta be top 5?

What other teams have an elite number 1 and a decent 1A/B from the past couple seasons?
Dallas and Boston come to mind.
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Joey MacDonald, Karri Ramo, Reto Berra, Joni Ortio, Jonas Hiller, Brian Elliott, Chad Johnson, Jon Gillies, Mike Smith, Nicklas Backstrom, Cam Talbot, Eddie Lack and David Rittich...its finally over...

Crazy...the level of mediocrity we have had at this position for this duration is unreal...if you go back to Kippers backups it gets even worse...


Whew...glad the nightmare is finally over.

Nothing against about 5 of those guys, but they were not clear #1 goalies.
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Dallas and Boston have very nice tandems

Bishop-33, Khudobin-34
Rask- 33, Halak-35

Markstrom- 30, Rittich- 28

Definitely the other tandems are more proven as they are all older but I certainly love the potential of our tandem
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You realize Washington is a tire fire defensively post Trotz, right?
Their other goalie did pretty well
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Joey MacDonald, Karri Ramo, Reto Berra, Joni Ortio, Jonas Hiller, Brian Elliott, Chad Johnson, Jon Gillies, Mike Smith, Nicklas Backstrom, Cam Talbot, Eddie Lack and David Rittich...its finally over...

Crazy...the level of mediocrity we have had at this position for this duration is unreal...if you go back to Kippers backups it gets even worse...
I liked Ramo. I think he played pretty well (stood on his head against the ducks in round two 2015) and maybe deserved a longer look.

The rest preceding last year's tandem? Oh dear....
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I liked Ramo. I think he played pretty well (stood on his head against the ducks in round two 2015) and maybe deserved a longer look.

The rest preceding last year's tandem? Oh dear....
Ramo had the bad luck of being injured going into UFA status. The flames could afford to take the risk.

Had he been under contract, and was able to come back, we might have been able to see what we had there.
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Behind a rebuilding team it is.


And by that logic then why take a chance on any one?

We might as well just continue the carousel of 1-2 year contracts to UFA journeymen to eliminate as much risk as possible.

Or do you eventually draw a line and stick with a guy.

They did, on the league-wide consensus #1 FA, and I'm glad.
Honestly, that seems like a much safer bet.

But I'm not an NHL gm.

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Sorry to say but I think Holtby is past his hay day. Caps rode him hard for a lengthy stint.

You're probably getting .910 goaltending or less on average now.

But you guys have the weapons now that maybe you can outscore that.

The upside is if Demko is ready to handle 40-50 games playing at a decent level. But he's not going to be at Vegas level every night. Pretty well impossible with a condensed schedule.
Incorrect. Heard Demko needed an IV AND needed to see several psychologists basically after two playoff games. ‘Sky Rockets In Flight, Afternoon Delight’ type stuff buried pretty deep down. Weak mentally AND physically when challenged is what they’re saying. It will backfire on the Canucks as they’ll need to ride a broken down Holtby who is well past his prime. Calgary one ups Vancouver. Again.
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Incorrect. Heard Demko needed an IV AND needed to see several psychologists basically after two playoff games. ‘Sky Rockets In Flight, Afternoon Delight’ type stuff buried pretty deep down. Weak mentally AND physically when challenged is what they’re saying. It will backfire on the Canucks as they’ll need to ride a broken down Holtby who is well past his prime. Calgary one ups Vancouver. Again.

Dude, that song is about sex in the afternoon.
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I love that the NHL just released this video and the 1st clip is of Calgary.

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After watching those highlights, one thing I look forward to is the fact that he's a big goalie at 6'6" but he doesn't play the typical "be big" blocking style that we've seen from other big goalies in Calgary. He plays the athletic style that's more typical of the goalies who are closer to 6'0" tall.

It's something I always liked when watching Gillies in college, but he wasn't able to translate it to success in the pros.


It's a personal preference thing and may not actually be a better style, but I just prefer to watch a goalie who's trying to make saves rather than just making himself as big as possible and hoping the puck hits him.
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Just went back and read Trelivings comments back when he traded for Elliot and the later for Smith.

Credit where its due in neither case did Treliving glow about acquiring a "true #1 starter" in either guy. He had Ortio and he simply said when he traded for Elliot "We got better today".
As for Smith his comments were of the "we know hes in the twilight as an older goalie but he started late and has low mileage".

Treliving never referred to either as a "true #1 starter" the way he did yesterday when signing Markstrom. That gives me hope.
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Their other goalie did pretty well
As well as Holtby did the year before. A year that you've described as "bad".

What's it like to get the goalie you wanted but still end up more nervous and less secure about what you got than the fan of the team you took him from?
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As well as Holtby did the year before. A year that you've described as "bad".

What's it like to get the goalie you wanted but still end up more nervous and less secure about what you got than the fan of the team you took him from?
Sounds like life in action.
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As well as Holtby did the year before. A year that you've described as "bad".

What's it like to get the goalie you wanted but still end up more nervous and less secure about what you got than the fan of the team you took him from?
Lol this guy...I have been saying Holtby was terrible all summer it has nothing to do with him going to Vancouver. I'm on record as saying I wanted him nowhere near the Flames. I was hoping he would sign with the Oilers but this is a good consolation prize.

Holtby is going to get lit up...that D lol

Where are your smug Markstrom is going to the AVS and Calgary is stuck with Rittich comments now?
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Lol this guy...I have been saving Holtby was terrible all summer it has nothing to do with him going to Vancouver. I'm on record as saying I wanted him nowhere near the Flames. I was hoping he would sign with the Oilers but this is a good consolation prize.

Holtby is going to get lit up...that D lol

Where are your smug Markstrom is going to the AVS and Calgary is stuck with Rittich comments now?
Preach it; blasters shtick is getting old, this is where he’ll come in and wish you a canker sore and a bad day because you spoke logic about his team.

Let’s not pretend that this is an amazing deal by Benning, he was backed against a wall because of a 2nd round performance of Demko and literally signed Holtby to this deal with the purpose of exposing him to Seattle at the expansion draft while losing a number one who was so good that he kept them mediocre through a rebuild keeping them out of the top 5 pick range.

I am in no way more nervous about our goaltending situation than you are Blaster and the inner fan in you that knows what Markstrom is all about knows this is true.

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Lol this guy...I have been saving Holtby was terrible all summer it has nothing to do with him going to Vancouver. I'm on record as saying I wanted him nowhere near the Flames. I was hoping he would sign with the Oilers but this is a good consolation prize.
That's great. I am not talking about you saying Holtby was good and then Holtby was bad. I am on about you saying Holtby has been awful for the last three seasons, then trying to say Samsonov was good last season. His numbers are the same as Holtby's from two seasons ago, a season you say was bad. Pick a lane. Either they're both really bad, or Holtby had a down year. It cannot be both.


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Maybe. Maybe he'll replicate what Markstrom was able to do under Ian Clark.
Woodley from In Goal, who was praising Markstrom, also praised the Holtby signing in much the same way


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Where are your smug Markstrom is going to the AVS and Calgary is stuck with Rittich comments now?
Gone. I was wrong. He does not value a chance at winning a cup more than comfort and being where he wants to be. I thought he did based on comments had made in the past. And no, that is not a shot at Calgary for not being good. Calgary is infinitely better today than they were two days ago and much closer to a shot at the cup. Colorado is still a better team though.


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Preach it; blasters shtick is getting old, this is where he’ll come in and wish you a canker sore and a bad day because you spoke logic about his team.
I make snide, jokey remarks to snide jokey remarks. I usually also save it for people who aren't #######s about a Canucks fan being a regular posters. If you consider applying one set of rules for one guy while using a different set for another guy as logic... well... yeah


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Let’s not pretend that this is an amazing deal by Benning, he was backed against a wall because of a 2nd round performance of Demko and literally signed Holtby to this deal with the purpose of exposing him to Seattle at the expansion draft while losing a number one who was so good that he kept them mediocre through a rebuild keeping them out of the top 5 pick range.
Benning got backed into a wall by the expansion draft. This was coming no matter how Demko performed. Hell, there was an expectation that Demko would not perform. That he did has made this a hell of a lot easier. Benning, for the first time in UFA history, was able to set his budget for the players and stick to it.

You also realize that Juolevi, Virtanen, Pettersson and Hughes were all picked with Markstrom as the Canucks goalie and were all slotted to be top 3 or 5 picks prior to draft lottery shenanigans, right? Like, with Markstrom as our 1a or 1b we had one of, if not the, worst records over a 3 year span.

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I am in no way more nervous about our goaltending situation than you are Blaster and the inner fan in you that knows what Markstrom is all about knows this is true.

I am more confident in the Flames goaltending situation than I have been since Kiprusoff retired. I am legitimately happy for you guys, and happy that Markstrom got paid. I am also confident in the Canucks situation.
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