Yep, it's not always about stats. Lots of guys hit the 20 goal mark, but that doesn't make them 20 goal scorers. To me, 20 goal scorers hit 20 on any team, any system and on a consistent basis. I wonder if management thought they had that in Sharangovich and figured he would pop on the Flames.
But watching him play, I'm no sure we'll be seeing it any time soon. He may have an explosive shot, but being able to get your shot off with regularity and in dangerous areas is just as or more important than having just a heavy shot.
he is still above a dime a dozen waiver pickup which was the argument
Guys that score 53 goals in their first 3 years in the league aren't available on waivers
I'm sure the poster was just being facetious or talking about his current play, not necessarily his potential.
The kid clearly has some upside and some good tools, but there's no doubt it was a questionable trade given how little occurred after. I mean, a mediocre scoring, non playoff team in win now mode trades away top goal scorer and point getter for young non-blue chip project.
That's not a trade a team in the Flames position should be making in hopes to get back to the playoffs. What a bizarre and puzzling move.
I'm sure the poster was just being facetious or talking about his current play, not necessarily his potential.
The kid clearly has some upside and some good tools, but there's no doubt it was a questionable trade given how little occurred after. I mean, a mediocre scoring, non playoff team in win now mode trades away top goal scorer and point getter for young non-blue chip project.
That's not a trade a team in the Flames position should be making in hopes to get back to the playoffs.What a bizarre and puzzling move.
The guy asked for a trade, this was the market
other option was a long term deal
its not bizarre at all...in fact it was probably the best return of the Summer for any comparable player
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They sure do. I can only assume you're knocking at his bottom 6 usage this season.
But you have to be able to help elevate whatever line you're on, which to be fair, that line has looked very good this season which is probably why he was promoted to the top line the last game, so it's up to him to take advantage of that opportunity, whenever they come and execute. I don't know if he has it in him to be that kind of player, but he's still young and it's early, so only time will tell.
its not bizarre at all...in fact it was probably the best return of the Summer for any comparable player
Well you don't have to grant the trade. Lots of guys said they wanted out and yet they're still around. Tkachuk wanted out after 2021, but the team smoothed things over and kept him for the last year of his deal. Even then, management could've traded him for draft picks and used those assets to parlay them into another player.
I mean honestly, if management's goal was to walk into the season with a team that had an even harder time scoring then they've certainly done that because the headlines right now are all about the top 6 and why they're struggling and the lack of chemistry and trying new lines. This was conversation was definitely an inevitability.
Clearly the team was hoping Sharangovich could pop with more opportunity. And he still could, realistically. It's been less than 10 games with a new team/new teammates.
After the mess with Tkachuk/Gaudreau, and with the uncertainty coming into the season with the others UFAs, it's not really surprising, or a bad move, that they might target someone younger who they have control over for a while, and who might have untapped potential. Give him the season and see how does and acclimatizes to a new situation, never mind a new country.
It's way too early to judge the trade. It could turn out to be terrible, to be meh, to be good, or there's a still chance it turns into an awesome trade. Not much of one, after all.
And useful players are put on waivers sometimes, and claimed sometimes, and then get better with a new team and new opportunities, sometimes drastically better. It's rare, but it does happen. Look no further than Huselius, who was waived by the Panthers after he had scored 20 goals twice, and after his trade to Calgary, he was a pretty good scorer.
Going further back, Martin Gelinas was once claimed on waivers by Vancouver, and went on to score over 30 goals twice, iirc.
Clearly the team was hoping Sharangovich could pop with more opportunity. And he still could, realistically. It's been less than 10 games with a new team/new teammates.
Give him the season and see how does and acclimatizes to a new situation, never mind a new country.
Debrincat has a new team, new teammates, new country.
Yes, Sharangovich is totally comparable to a guy who scored over 40 twice, over 30 once, and had totals of 28 and 27 goals - and that 27 was in a down year.
Look at a guy like Chandler Stephenson. 168 games in Washington, he has 14 goals, 19 assists, 33 points. If he plays, it's in the bottom-6 because they have Backstrom and Kuznetsov, and then they have guys like Eller, et al.
Goes to Vegas, moves up the lineup, plays with better players, and bam! 129 points the last 2 seasons. Traded for a 5th round pick.
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Who is going to score goals for this team? We lost 34 goals and 73 points with the loss of Toffoli. This team scored 260 goals last year, will we even get to 230 this year?
Who is going to score goals for this team? We lost 34 goals and 73 points with the loss of Toffoli. This team scored 260 goals last year, will we even get to 230 this year?
At this rate they’ll be very lucky to crack the 200 mark. Hell, 150 might be a struggle.
The vid just broke 1,000 views. I’m proud of how this came out. I honestly wish I put in the clip of Z saying they’re playing like #### in hindsight lol
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In some positive news - markstrom keeps up his play. I think there are teams that would easily roll the dice on him if the flames retained a bit of cap.
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Massively worse on the wing and you can argue that they are worse up the middle with Monahan out producing Kadri. To think we would still have Monahan on a team friendly 1 year deal instead of giving up a 1st to have Kadri at $7M for 5 more years after this one.
The correct path in my opinion seems fairly obvious.
At the 2024 deadline trade most if not all of the following players for whatever package of prospects under 23 and picks you can get - Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Big Z
In the 2024 offseason pick up as many bad contracts as the ownership will let you absorb with your 30 million in cap space for prospects under 23 and picks
At the 2024 deadline trade Mangiapane and possibly Markstrom for picks and prospects.
Don’t start adding to this tire fire until the 2026 offseason, if you even do it then. Instead hope that a number of your prospects hit and sign them for as much term as possible.
If by some miracle you can move Huberdeau or Kadri before the end of their contracts without giving up assets do it. Otherwise hold them and ride out the ####storm.
Over three years of #### the Flames should be able to acquire between trades and just picking high themselves 7-10 legitimate top level prospects to add to guys like Coronato, Pelletier, Poirier, Zary, Honzek, Suniev, Wolf who already look like decent prospects. Then you may have something to work with in 2027.
