[Trade] Monahan and conditional 2025 1st to Montreal for future considerations

[Jiggy_12]

OK that is hilariously complex. It’s not even worth trying to understand

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yup that too much to pay for one year of salary retention IMO.

I like the Kadri add but I feel like this shouldn’t have costed a 1st

On the surface I agree, but not like BT would have shipped it out if there were other options to shed Monahan without it.

As per others points. We have to look at the entire summer as a sum of it's collectives.

BT fleeced the Panthers - he made them over pay substantially for Tkachuk IMO
In order to bring in Kadri - Montreal wins the trade with us on the Monahan dump, no doubt.

But put it all together, the win on the trade with the Panther's is far larger than the loss on the Mtl trade. He's doing what he needs to do.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Conditions per the Habs. This might be a record on complicated conditions for a pick in NHL history

https://www.nhl.com/canadiens/news/c...onahan-Release

No wonder that took forever

[Matata]

I know it's the going rate, but losing a first to save ~8% of a teams cap for one season will always seem bonkers to me. Game-breaking players go in the mid to late first round all the time. A 2nd/3rd seems way more reasonable.

[RedHot25]

That reads like the Terms of Conditions that we all.....completely ignore.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

flames gonna flame, cycle of mediocrity continues.

Except the part about massively upgrading at center today.

[Press Level]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

That reads like the Terms of Conditions that we all.....completely ignore.

I felt like scrolling to the bottom to click "accept."

[Hockeyguy15]

So if I'm reading that right, at some point Montreal gets a first round pick.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Conditions per the Habs:

https://www.nhl.com/canadiens/news/c...onahan-Release

Sheeet. No wonder it took so long. That is a complicated list of conditions.



I am not upset at all that a 1st rounder is what it cost to sign Kadri.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by rhino

2 1sts in 2025. Flames essentially traded a broken Monaghan and Tkachuk for Huberdeau, Weeger, Schwint and Kadri… that’s a total win of a trade.

Nope. Look at each trade in isolation.

The Tkachuk trade was a complete win. No need to turn around and spend that 1st like it’s burning a hole in your pocket.

I’m not sure id want to trade a 1st for 7 years of Kadri at $7M to be honest.

The whole point of overpaying a UFA is there is no acquisition cost, giving up a 1st kind of defeats that point.

The opportunity cost of a 1st is huge and I think it probably could have been used more effectively for a different asset.

[PuckSlap]

It reminds me of playing army men with my friends when we were kids. They somehow made the rules so complicated that they never lost, ever.

But you still went along with it

[alan21]

From 30 goal scorer to having to pay to get rid of.
What a strange ending to Monny's career here.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Except the part about massively upgrading at center today.

That part will actively contribute to the mediocrity pretty quickly.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

flames gonna flame, cycle of mediocrity continues.

Serious question: Why do you even bother being a fan?
This is the OPPOSITE of a cycle of mediocrity.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Matata

I know it's the going rate, but losing a first to save ~8% of a teams cap for one season will always seem bonkers to me. Game-breaking players go in the mid to late first round all the time. A 2nd/3rd seems way more reasonable.

The 1st allowed you to add Kadri, Monaghan is broken

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TBone290

Explain this to me like I'm 5

Habs get Monahan and a first round pick one day between 2024 and 2026 depending on events. If Calgary gets hit by lightning and wins the 2025 lottery for 1OA, Fla gets an extra 3rd round pick as well.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

That part will actively contribute to the mediocrity pretty quickly.

What a fun way to be a fan. To each their own.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

So basically the Flames protected themselves in case their draft picks came in the top ~10, and at worst case could give up a high position in the 2025 draft (albeit not the first overall pick).

In effect, Tre playing with the extra 1st round pick he got from Florida to move Monahan. The opportunity-cost is signing Kadri. Given that he wants Kadri, this is a decent way to do it and is primarily funded by the great return he got for Tkachuk.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

flames gonna flame, cycle of mediocrity continues.

Your takeaway is that this is too status quo? I mean dude c’mon

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Conditions per the Habs. This might be a record on complicated conditions for a pick in NHL history

https://www.nhl.com/canadiens/news/c...onahan-Release

lolololol