2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Trouba is an American with an NTC and he already walked on the Jets because he didn’t want to play in Canada.

Trouba would be a great get.

Right up there with Bryan Marchment.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I expect Necas has more value than Andersson.

I do get that Andersson is cheaper and that's good, but for only 2 years, and then comes a contract someone will regret.

And Andersson did not have a very good year. Neither did Necas, but that was likely due to lack of premium ice time.

Maybe their value is equal, but I doubt Carolina would be adding a strong future piece

Andersson is a bonafide top 3 d-man, even with the down year.

That's more valuable. At least until the extension.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Calling Necas a 40 point player speaks volumes on your knowledge of hockey.

Well outside of 1 outlier season, he has been a 40 point player no?

He will likely put up more points wherever he goes, he wants PP1 time and pad his stats.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Part of me thinks if they land someone like Necas, the thought of contention will obviously top any thoughts of trading Markstrom. And he'll maybe want to stay too.

This is my concern, if we are after Necas it's to improve now.

Only way I'm ok with it, is if we trade older players with less control for him and sign him.

Rasmus and Mangiapane for Necas and a pick makes sense to me.

Only way I would change of this if:

We trade Rasmus for a top 15 pick this draft. This would be the better option, assuming it is an option.

But I bet Necas to the Flames doesn't involve Rasmus anyways, just an idea of what I would do.

[Jason14h]

It’s totally going to be for Vans first and two 2nds . This is the way of the Flames

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Part of me thinks if they land someone like Necas, the thought of contention will obviously top any thoughts of trading Markstrom. And he'll maybe want to stay too.

Rebuild over.

Just keep going in circles.

Lets hope the Canucks give them a great offer.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I expect Necas has more value than Andersson.

I do get that Andersson is cheaper and that's good, but for only 2 years, and then comes a contract someone will regret.

And Andersson did not have a very good year. Neither did Necas, but that was likely due to lack of premium ice time.

Maybe their value is equal, but I doubt Carolina would be adding a strong future piece

I agree with this. Necas had a down year, but he had 9 points in 11 playoff games. IMO he's better than Rasmus and if we think we get him plus a top pick, people are way off here.

Rasmus is a good player, but he lost his PP spot. Without that he's a dman that isn't really a top shut down dman, great on the PK and good for 30-40 points. He barely gets 50 playing the top pp role, today's NHL has 20ish 50-point dmen per season. His career year is barely good for top 20 in a prime-time situation with all the prime minutes playing with 2 100-point guys. 1 had 115 points.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

It’s totally going to be for Vans first and two 2nds . This is the way of the Flames

With what picks?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Well no single player is going to substantially alter the future of the team, except for a small handful on the planet..

Cores alter the future of a team. He would be a piece of that.

We dont possibly think a 25 year old Right Winger who finished 123rd, 58th and 191st in league scoring over the past 3 years is a core piece do we? We already have Kuzmenko who has put up more PPG over the past 2 seasons and he cost us a heck of a lot less.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

With what picks?

I don’t understand the question . With the picks …. We have ?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

We dont possibly think a 25 year old Right Winger who finished 123rd, 58th and 191st in league scoring over the past 3 years is a core piece do we? We already have Kuzmenko who has put up more PPG over the past 2 seasons and he cost us a heck of a lot less.

Yeah we do. See below. Key cog.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You trade for Necas because he becomes part of the core of your team

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Yeah we do. See below. Key cog.

save your assets and sign Kuzmenko longterm. He is only 35 months older. He can be part of your "core" for the next 5 years. And he will likley cost less in terms of money. And he scores more.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

save your assets and sign Kuzmenko longterm. He is only 35 months older. He can be part of your "core" for the next 5 years. And he will likley cost less in terms of money. And he scores more.

It doesn't matter. No one wants to be patient and build a team, we need Necas to add to this group.

No center depth, 2 NHL defenceman signed for next year. Time to go all in and start trading picks for wingers.

Picking 9th, lets to make it 13th next season that is how you get stars on your team.

[Jason14h]

No one on this team over 23 should be in the long term plans for this team . As people have shown even drafting top 3 and getting a superstar it is usually a 10 year journey to win the cup

Get as many assets as you can that are rookies / prospects . You can always trade some in 3-4 years as you start entering your competitive window

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It doesn't matter. No one wants to be patient and build a team, we need Necas to add to this group.

No center depth, 2 NHL defenceman signed for next year. Time to go all in and start trading picks for wingers.

Picking 9th, lets to make it 13th next season that is how you get stars on your team.

I personally think that Conroy will continue to do what he has done so far and make trades that look an awful lot like rebuilding trades. So far he has moved out 5 assets and brought in

- a 28 year old forward
- a 26 year old dman
- a 25 year old forward
- a 22 year old forward
- a 21 year old dman
- a 19 year old dman
- two first round picks
- a 2nd round pick
- three 3rd round picks
- a 4th round pick
- a 5th round pick

It would be significantly out of character for him to make a trade where he is not bringing in picks/prospects but instead brings in only a 25 year old asset.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I agree with this. Necas had a down year, but he had 9 points in 11 playoff games. IMO he's better than Rasmus and if we think we get him plus a top pick, people are way off here.

Rasmus is a good player, but he lost his PP spot. Without that he's a dman that isn't really a top shut down dman, great on the PK and good for 30-40 points. He barely gets 50 playing the top pp role, today's NHL has 20ish 50-point dmen per season. His career year is barely good for top 20 in a prime-time situation with all the prime minutes playing with 2 100-point guys. 1 had 115 points.

Carolina has to trade Necas too because they have 4 forwards who are already better than him (5 if they sign Guentzel) so he is redudant in some ways.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I personally think that Conroy will continue to do what he has done so far and make trades that look an awful lot like rebuilding trades. So far he has moved out 5 assets and brought in

- a 28 year old forward
- a 26 year old dman
- a 25 year old forward

It would be significantly out of character for him to make a trade where he is not bringing in picks/prospects but instead brings in only a 25 year old asset.

Dude, what?

Read your own list. It is not out of character at all, it's the exact type of trade he has made so far and player he has targeted. Further, he said publicly he was looking for pretty much exactly this player only a month ago.

Now, if he traded away our 1sts to get this, that's probably out of whack. But, that's not what anyone seems to be proposing. IMO it's Rasmus and it could make sense.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The 2010 date seems arbitrary, when is you go back in the previous 4 years you'll find Toews (3), Stamkos(2), Doughty(2), Kane(3) and Hedman(2) are there in the top 3. That's another 12 cups.

This was the stat that was floating around 2 years ago. I think the theory was when the 2012/13 lockout happened, it made it harder to sign your top 3 OV players to long term deals, longer than 8 years like Crosby and Ovechkin and others were doing before that lockout. Theory was rebuilding wasn't as effective as it was after the 05 lockout ebcause you couldn't front load deals and manipulate the cap hit of elite players. Time frame makes sense why 2010 was starting point as players drafted from then on would be considered post 12/13 lockout rebuilds.

What has changed is the turnaround time frame though. Teams drafting at the top seem to have instant success back in 05 to 12. Rebuilding teams that started their rebuild around the 12/13 lockout and beyond weren't as successful until now. Florida, Edmonton, Colorado were 3 teams rebuilding all around the same time. These teams are starting to win cups now.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I don’t understand the question . With the picks …. We have ?

Oh, I read that as VAN was trading a 1st and two 2nds, and the "way of the flames" was missing out of the trade target.

Never mind.

[NewFan]

I guess TheDallas Model didn't work!
So we can to stop trading higher draft picks for supporting players until we get real younger core.