[Rumour] Lightning have contract extension in place for Hanifin if trade can be completed

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

I understand what you're saying. But I never once said not to trade with a team willing for him to be a rental.

My point was that Conroy better be looking at more teams than just Tampa to appease Hanifin and his agent. That's all.

And I think people, myself included, are wondering why you would ever believe he isn’t.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by Niemo

Hearing this morning from David Pagnotta that the Red Wings are very interested in Hanifin if he extends.

This is annoying.....the Red Wings have assets up the ying yang and are the perfect trading partner..... If they don't get Hanifin, I hope Conroy dangles Rasmus to them for their top assets. I'm tired of all the lip service these guys are giving Calgary only to demand out in the last year of their contract and give us a list of 3-5 teams.

Beat the boat, Connie!

I have no reason to think this, but I just have a feeling that Ras is one of those bleed red, lifetime Flame types like Backlund. I would be very hesitant to move him.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by D as in David

I hope you have a financial advisor looking after your money.

Picks aren't the same as money. A 2010 pick is probably paying more dividends right now than a 2008 pick

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Don’t think the rumour is true but if it is it’s a non-starter if that 1st is protected. If the 1st is unprotected it’s an okay / acceptable deal in my mind. It’s literally such small odds that it could end up being a top 5 pick anyway so that’s where the call should start. And it’s fair value for Hanifin, honestly.

If you drafted a Hanifin as a top 5 player you wouldn’t be disappointed. So fair’s fair. People saying they wouldn’t give up an unprotected first, why? Such nonsense. Hanifin has value, they need to pay up appropriately.

On the flip side, if the odds are so low, why make it a deal breaker? No GM is dumb enough to send a future unprotected pick...I'm not sure the last time a team sent an unprotected pick that was more than 6 months out.

That said, I think GMs are pretty stupid to limit their conditions to a single year (top 10 protected then completely unprotected if that happens), and it's only a matter of time until someone gets burned in hilarious fashion.

On the flip side, if I'm acquiring a 1st I'd look for value mitigation on both sides:

if TBL's 2026 pick is in the top 10 it slides to the following year, and CGY receives TBL's 2028 4th.
If TBL's 2026 pick is #20-32 then CGY receives TBL's 2028 4th

(I know you can only trade picks so far out, but I bet you can include them in conditions; teams wouldn't want to lock up earlier picks if they can avoid it)

[Aarongavey]

The real question is do the Flames trade him Thursday morning aka Tonelli for Kromm and Konroyd.

[sureLoss]

Friedman said that Tampa and Flames have been working on this for a while. No one will confirm that permission was given to talk extension.

Until he hears talks have completely fallen apart his focus is Hanifin to tampa

[Wolfman]

Friedman still thinking Tampa is favourite.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Taking a worse deal because you didn’t think the better deals were “better enough” is doing exactly that.

If the market for a signed Hanifin is only a little better than the market for a rental Hanifin, then that’s the market.

Exactly. You either move him or you don't at this point. The fact Hanifin is even willing to extend with 1 or more teams now, versus going to the summer is a bit of a win really. Nobody has any idea what kind of deal could be on the table this point that potentially involves other Flames players, picks and other teams being included.

If all else fails, there going to be numerous teams willing to take him on as a rental, which was a viable scenario we would have all been happy with a month ago.

[dustygoon]

I would take Tanner Jeannott as part of the return. Injuries have messed his time in TB up, but it's so hard to find players like him. I see a M-NTC.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Picks aren't the same as money. A 2010 pick is probably paying more dividends right now than a 2008 pick

Correct but they do have value. A pick today starts realizing that value (increased revenues, for eg.) today vs in the future. Would Chicago rather have Bedard (and associated revenue) today or a few years from now?

[Bingo]

I think heightened expectations have people over thinking this ... doesn't help that it's been a 100 day market.

Player
Pick
Prospect

That's the model.

Pick should be a 1st
Prospect should be a B or greater.
Player is either filler, a cap dump or interesting.

The toggle slides on all three in value, but that's the baseline for the Hanifin deal, and I'm guessing it will line up.

Anyone worrying that Conroy is only talking to Tampa, for reasons, is missing the script here. He's working every team he possibly can.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

I would take Tanner Jeannott as part of the return. Injuries have messed his time in TB up, but it's so hard to find players like him. I see a M-NTC.

He’d make sense as the ‘something now’ component. Still youngish (26), and brings something to the roster that the Flames lack. Moving out his contract would help TB afford a Hanifin extension.

2026 1st
2025 2nd
Jeannot
Gauthier

[transplant99]

Im led to believe that the Wings are in on him pretty seriously and i also see Pagnotta has reported it as well.....which doesn't mean much apparently.

I do wonder if the motivation is to keep Tampa from getting him as much as it is they acquire him themselves. Wings have the inside track to get WC1 over the Bolts and also an outside shot at catching the Leafs.

[Royle9]

Jeannot has bombed ever since the trade…
Not sure he’ll ever get back to that anomaly of a year honestly, I think it was a one off.
We see guys have this every year and Tampa gave up waaaaay too much for him.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Correct but they do have value. A pick today starts realizing that value (increased revenues, for eg.) today vs in the future. Would Chicago rather have Bedard (and associated revenue) today or a few years from now?

Yes, but a player has a finite shelf life, regardless of when the clock starts.

A dollar is worth more today than a year from now because that dollar can grow over that time.

But a player has X number of years. Period. Whether that starts this year, or 3 years from now, the value is the same.

[dammage79]

Kind of building my own trade here but here goes:
To TB:
Noah Hanifin

To CGY:
26 1st
Winger Isaac Howard
Center Gabriel Szturc
Winger Maxim Groshev

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

I would take Tanner Jeannott as part of the return. Injuries have messed his time in TB up, but it's so hard to find players like him. I see a M-NTC.

Hard to find players like him?

He has bombed after what looks like a fluke season, and Tampa overpaid significantly to get him.

He would be a throw in at best. Getting back a 4th liner would be pretty sad.

[devo22]

mentioned it a couple of times, but I really want Crozier as part of the package. 23 year old RH defenseman in his first year, a Calgary native ... and his HC says things like this about him:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1764135883572134212

Isaac Howard
Max Crozier
2024 3rd
2026 1st

[Sandman]

I would rather have Gauthier than Howard.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by devo22

mentioned it a couple of times, but I really want Crozier as part of the package. 23 year old RH defenseman in his first year, a Calgary native ... and his HC says things like this about him:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1764135883572134212

Isaac Howard
Max Crozier
2024 3rd
2026 1st

That would be a good return

[Monahammer]

Given what walker just got we should ask for both Gauthier and Crozier, and expect the 26 1st and howard too.

Still have to take a cap dump from TB so they can sign Hanifin though. That keeps getting brushed over but it's a big item. Either we take a cap dump or they won't be able to re-sign their long time captain who brought home multiple cups. I don't think that's what they're going to do.