[Rumour] Lightning have contract extension in place for Hanifin if trade can be completed

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Or Conroy is pinning the two Florida teams against each other

A 26 year old extended #2 dman playing the best hockey of his career should be worth a lot. We’ll see what the return is but the initial one posted here from Tampa seemed underwhelming.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by bax

That doesn’t help Conroy who is trying to turn this team around in a 3-4 year window.

Likely an impossible task.

Which players do they currently have who are likely core players in 3-4 years?

[liamenator]

However this turns out, if the stuff about Brisson is true, it's brutal.

What a grind this year has been for Conroy. It was already tough to have to deal with Tre's, um, legacy. On top of that, the whole league seems to have been trying to squeeze a first-year GM. He's done remarkably well so far.

This may end up being one of those scenarios in which you take a slightly lesser deal from a rental team in order to send a message to Brisson and other agents that this organization won't be strong armed, a la Burke not moving Cammalleri.

From a pure asset management perspective, that didn't make sense. But, looking back and as Burke said at the time, it was an important non-move that reset the perception of the organization around the league.

[wired]

If the stuff about his agent is true, I would not be opposed to trading him to another team that is not Florida based. If the return from Tampa is underwhelming, then go for a rental team instead. Worth the return to shove it back in their faces.

[Mr.Coffee]

Don’t think the rumour is true but if it is it’s a non-starter if that 1st is protected. If the 1st is unprotected it’s an okay / acceptable deal in my mind. It’s literally such small odds that it could end up being a top 5 pick anyway so that’s where the call should start. And it’s fair value for Hanifin, honestly.

If you drafted a Hanifin as a top 5 player you wouldn’t be disappointed. So fair’s fair. People saying they wouldn’t give up an unprotected first, why? Such nonsense. Hanifin has value, they need to pay up appropriately.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by wired

If the stuff about his agent is true, I would not be opposed to trading him to another team that is not Florida based. If the return from Tampa is underwhelming, then go for a rental team instead. Worth the return to shove it back in their faces.

The Flames still have to get maximum value - I don't care how. Sour engagements last a few weeks. Draft picks and their subsequent trade trees can last decades.

[Flames1217]

Today is the day!

Well hopefully at least.....

CPs traffic must be absolutely insane if everyone is checking the site as often as I am lol.

[442scotty]

This is the first year Hanifin decided to show everyone what he could be and surprise surprise it’s a contract year. Please don’t sign in Calgary and turn back into the pumpkin you were. I’ll be surprised if we get a good return for him and oh ya don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by bax

That’s a bit of a pipe dream.

I can’t think of a successful rebuild where a team has traded away away any of the first round picks they acquired for established players.

Bottom line is a successful team in Calgary needs to be built through the draft. No more short cuts.

A 2027 draft picks leaves Conroy waiting 7-8 years to see a return on a Hanifin trade. That simply doesn’t hold the same value as a pick in the upcoming draft.

It was exactly a decade ago that we were sellers. Had we gotten a 2017 pick in the top ten for a guy like Cammalleri instead of zilch in the 2014 draft (or a pick in the 20s), it might have turned out to be a name like Elias Pettersson. Imagine adding a piece like that to the 2019 or 2022 Flames teams.

The year of the pick is only on factor - it is where you project the buyer to be sitting in the standings. If a team like Tampa - with aging pieces like Stamkos and Hedman, who have a limited pipeline due to annual rentals - is offering a pick that could fall in the 4-15 range - that could end up being more beneficial than not. All it takes is a Vasilevskiy or Kucherov injury and it could be the Flames' most valuable asset in the next five years

[bax]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Likely an impossible task.

Which players do they currently have who are likely core players in 3-4 years?

I think Wolf has a shot. I wouldn’t be surprised if one of our D prospects emerges as a keeper either and hopefully they draft one this summer and one more next summer.

You’re right though, it’s a tall order. All the more reason to turn your nose at a 2027 pick as the main asset coming back for your top pairing defenseman.

[calumniate]

Trade this bum to winterpeg!

[Toonage]

They're on his list lol

[Wolfman]

It's nice to see some considering the dark side of the Hanifin situation. I was starting to wonder if I was the only one.

[Ozy_Flame]

This is really starting to remind me of the Iginla situation. If I remember correctly he only wanted to go to Pittsburgh?

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

This is really starting to remind me of the Iginla situation. If I remember correctly he only wanted to go to Pittsburgh?

That one is a bit different. Iggy was the team and deserved that kind of respect. Hanifin... not so much.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Likely an impossible task.

Which players do they currently have who are likely core players in 3-4 years?

Well there's a few candidates between Kadri, Sharangovich, Zary, Weegar, Andersson plus and handful of youngsters currently on the cusp and players coming via trade and draft this year. It's not impossible that Conroy can swing further impact moves this Summer in addition to the deadline that really swing the pendulum towards a young elite talent to build around upfront.

A lot of it is having a solid plan, which the team appears to have now, but a huge part comes down to luck with a top 10-12 pick turning out way better than you'd expect. If the Flames are able to land their own version of Suzuki or Necas in the 10 range this year that pops right away, things start looking a whole lot better in a hurry.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by liamenator

However this turns out, if the stuff about Brisson is true, it's brutal.

What a grind this year has been for Conroy. It was already tough to have to deal with Tre's, um, legacy. On top of that, the whole league seems to have been trying to squeeze a first-year GM. He's done remarkably well so far.

This may end up being one of those scenarios in which you take a slightly lesser deal from a rental team in order to send a message to Brisson and other agents that this organization won't be strong armed, a la Burke not moving Cammalleri.

From a pure asset management perspective, that didn't make sense. But, looking back and as Burke said at the time, it was an important non-move that reset the perception of the organization around the league.

There’s no conspiracy against Conroy and the Flames. Other GMs aren’t picking on him. Brisson isn’t doing anything the agents for other pending UFAs haven’t done in the past.

Market conditions are working against the Flames. Their big UFA is apparently only willing to sign with a couple teams. Several of the teams in win now mode have previously traded away their 1sts and 2nds. Others are more in need of a RHD than LHD. And the cap crunch makes any deal with significant salary difficult to pull off.

It’s frustrating. But talk about strong-arming and sending signals is off-base. The NHL trade market isn’t as emotional and macho as some fans seem to think. Taking a worse deal to ‘send a signal’ would be foolish. The only signal it would send would that they’re willing to cut off their nose to spite their face. Conroy and the rest of Flames management are smarter than that.

The bigger issue is that NHL players are exercising more control over where they play, and more and more of them don’t want to play in Canada. Fans need to recognize this unwelcome new reality. And Canadian teams need to get their heads around what this means for running their franchises. It probably means making tougher decisions sooner.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

There’s no conspiracy against Conroy and the Flames. Other GMs aren’t picking on him. Brisson isn’t doing anything the agents for other pending UFAs haven’t done in the past.

Market conditions are working against the Flames. Their big UFA is apparently only willing to sign with a couple teams. Several of the teams in win now mode have previously traded away their 1sts and 2nds. And several of the others are more in need of a RHD than LHD. The cap crunch makes any deal with significant salary difficult to pull off.

It’s frustrating. But talk about strong-arming and sending signals is off-base. The NHL trade market isn’t as emotional and macho as some fans seem to think. Taking a worse deal to ‘send a signal’ would be foolish. Conroy and the rest of Flames management are smarter than that.

Yup, Flames preferred to sign Hanifin and it didn’t happen. Sounds like they kept trying to re-engage and got rebuffed. They are now down to the wire and trying to send him to a team he will re-sign with to get a better return. He will still get a 1st from someone.

[Aarongavey]

I say package Hanifin and the Dallas 2nd round pick and grab Sergachev. You get a top two dman and the Lightning recoup some draft capital. Sign and trade where the Lightning probably save some cap space.

Probably a pipe dream but one can hope.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I say package Hanifin and the Dallas 2nd round pick and grab Sergachev. You get a top two dman and the Lightning recoup some draft capital. Sign and trade where the Lightning probably save some cap space.

Probably a pipe dream but one can hope.

Probably?