[Trade] Canucks trade Quinn Hughes to the Wild for 2026 1st, Rossi, Buium, and Ohgren

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I post an average of 4 times per day. I guess 4 rounds up to 100.

And people should be allowed to be positive or negative on the team. The great thing about an opinion is everyone is allowed to have a different one.

People can post whatever they like...its also a kids game for fun so dont be shocked when all negative posting gets pushback.

Who isnt allowing you to post? Pretty sure that 4 average has some lean years and summertime lol.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Zeev Buium had 50 points in 42 games as a defenceman in the NCHC in his draft year. To put that in perspective, Zayne Parekh had an incredible NHLe of 38.5 in his draft year. Quinn Hughes had 21.4 in his draft year. Land Hutson had 39.7 in his draft plus one year. Zeev Buium’s draft year NHLe was 42.9.

Great. But finish the analysis - what happened the next year?

Buium:
D+0: 43
D+1: 42
D+2: 37 PPG pace in NHL

Parekh:
D+0: 39
D+1: 46

Hutson:
D+0: 39
D+1: 40
D+2: 42
D+3: 66 pts in NHL

Hughes:
D+0: 21
D+1: 28
D+2: 64 PPG pace in NHL

Buium had the highest draft year NHLe of any of these players, but has also had the least progression, since his draft year, based on NHLe. I am not suggesting NHLe is the be all, end all, but if you're going to use it to compare one year, keep going. And the perspective changes substantially.

[dino7c]

Hughes controls the game like McDavid, Makar, Nate.

Buium is a good player, he isnt on the same planet

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yeah come on now these players arent comparable...Hughes is the best player in his prime traded since...I dont even know. He is better than Tkachuk and a more important position.

I know you hate Tkachuk but Matthew was top 10 in league scoring with over 100pts when he was dealt at 24 and also had an 8 year deal waiting for the Panthers. All he has done since is score 254 points in 211 games and 69pts in 67 playoff games winning 2 cups and playing in 3 finals. All this while playing a style that every team covets

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Canucks started their rebuild after us, and will finish it before us.

No naval gazing there. They accepted reality and set about changing it.

Predicting when a rebuild will end is pointless - way too many variables.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The Canucks generally are pretty aggressive with trades when they decide they want to do something. But the also manifests in deals like the Lindholm one
But at the time it was similarly characterized as an aggressive and more proactive move.

And Rutherford specifically. Seems like he is among the most aggressive deal makers over the last decade plus.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yeah come on now these players arent comparable...Hughes is the best player in his prime traded since...I dont even know. He is better than Tkachuk and a more important position.

Hard to compare players like that, but Tkachuk has been a huge force since traded. And a huge winner. Hughes is great, but has proven little in the win column.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Hughes controls the game like McDavid, Makar, Nate.

Buium is a good player, he isnt on the same planet

No, at least not yet. His ceiling is yet to be established.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Hughes is 26. And only has one more point than Andersson who is 29. Both are pending UFAs. Could be argued that Andersson would be easier to extend. Guess we'll see how things play out.

Hughes is not a pending UFA.

And he is miles better than Andersson. And Rasmus is pretty good.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Given that their hand was forced, I think Vancouver gets an A+. You can’t get a better haul than they got.

But the point is that their hand was forced.

If you want to say 'given the circumstances, they did well', sure. But the circumstances are part of the equation.

The bottom line here is that Vancouver is worse today than they were yesterday. Hughes was, by a significant margin, the best player in the deal. If Buium becomes an elite player, then the scales tip. But until that point, VAN is a worse team. So grading them any higher than B (at best) is ignoring some of the facts.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I know you hate Tkachuk but Matthew was top 10 in league scoring with over 100pts when he was dealt at 24 and also had an 8 year deal waiting for the Panthers. All he has done since is score 254 points in 211 games and 69pts in 67 playoff games winning 2 cups and playing in 3 finals. All this while playing a style that every team covets

Hate has nothing to do with it...also I'm talking when traded

Hughes just won the norris and gets votes every year. Probably #2 at the position on earth. D>wing. What indivisual major award has Tkachuk won?
32 GMs would take Hughes over Tkachuk IMO

It wasn't a shot at Tkachuk anyway, just that he is the best player traded in their prime since...IDK. Jumbo Joe? a center

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

But the point is that their hand was forced.

If you want to say 'given the circumstances, they did well', sure. But the circumstances are part of the equation.

The bottom line here is that Vancouver is worse today than they were yesterday. Hughes was, by a significant margin, the best player in the deal. If Buium becomes an elite player, then the scales tip. But until that point, VAN is a worse team. So grading them any higher than B (at best) is ignoring some of the facts.

Yeah their hand was forced because they have made mistake after mistake and Hughes didn't want to be there anymore. If they built a proper team around he they wouldn't be in that situation.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

It is crazy how with one trade Vancouver gets a 1st, gets a solid center going forward, gets a potential franchise defenseman, and is now almost a lock to pick in the top 3. Honestly, given the situation the trade is incredible for them if they will be rebuilding.

They might already be ahead of the Flames in their rebuild if they pick top 3. This of course depends on what we do with all our vets who we should try to trade but probably won't. It is just picking in the top 3 is a game changer.

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Um no.... Zayne is in the same age and category as Buium. Both have potential but are not proven at all. We don't know at this point if Zayne will be a top 5 dman in the league or struggle to ever be a top pairing.

And I would take a top 3 pick over any goalie in the league. It is not that I don't like Wolf, I just think teams that build around a goalie don't tend to do as well. Goaltending is important but less so than having a franchise center and dman.

Parekh and Buium are about as close in value, and in potential, as any two prospects you can compare. Seeing your bias here with these quotes is hilarious - I mean sure, both quotes are true. But the spin you put on each player is pretty funny.

[Enoch Root]

VAN gave their rebuild a huge shot in the arm yesterday, no question.

But anyone suggesting they are further along, or are positioned to come out of the rebuild sooner, is just kidding themselves.

[dino7c]

If I'm not mistaken Zeev got a bunch of points early in the season on the PP and has since cooled considerably. Also has a -9 on a good team.

He is having the same struggles as most young dman have

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

But the point is that their hand was forced.

If you want to say 'given the circumstances, they did well', sure. But the circumstances are part of the equation.

The bottom line here is that Vancouver is worse today than they were yesterday. Hughes was, by a significant margin, the best player in the deal. If Buium becomes an elite player, then the scales tip. But until that point, VAN is a worse team. So grading them any higher than B (at best) is ignoring some of the facts.

I think that's the point of this trade. Vancouver is a worse team today than they were at this time yesterday.

The Canucks identified what they needed to do and did it. Everyone wants to win a Cup every season, but the Canucks knew that wasn't happening any time soon and got the absolute best haul they could have. Kudos to them.

[devo22]

he's still an absolute blue chipper. Scott Wheeler had him at #5 among all drafted prospects last summer (behind Schaefer, Misa, Demidov and Parekh).

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think that's the point of this trade. Vancouver is a worse team today than they were at this time yesterday.

The Canucks identified what they needed to do and did it. Everyone wants to win a Cup every season, but the Canucks knew that wasn't happening any time soon and got the absolute best haul they could have. Kudos to them.

Their best player...probably 2nd best player ever said he wanted out at 26. This is the pushback, this wasn't some master rebuild plan it was a total failure of management. They have been trading firsts for vets and rentals for the last few years including trading a 2025 first. I promise you they would have kept Hughes if he didn't tell them he was out. (as would any team)

I think Hughes playing for poorly managed Vancouver has soured him a bit for fans...he is right there with the best players in the NHL, neck and neck with Makar. There are probably 5 guys in the league that can take over games like him.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Their best player...probably 2nd best player ever said he wanted out at 26. This is the pushback, this wasn't some master rebuild plan it was a total failure of management. They have been trading firsts for vets in rentals for the last few years including trading a 2025 first.

If your position is that the team acquiring the best player always wins the deal, then there is really nothing else to discuss. This trade is by design to make the Canucks worse, and whether or not they put themselves in this position, they hit this trade out of the park.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

If your position is that the team acquiring the best player always wins the deal, then there is really nothing else to discuss. This trade is by design to make the Canucks worse, and whether or not they put themselves in this position, they hit this trade out of the park.

We'll see, I think its pretty easy to make a "good deal" for the 2nd best dman in the NHL at 26 years old. I think having Hughes dominating the league for another 10 years and building around him would have been the better outcome for them. Quality>Quantity.

It took Vancouver 50 years to get a dman that good

Most trade grades I have seen have the Wild an A and the Canucks a B or C...which to me seems fair