[PGT] Oilers 2 - Flames 1

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Goriders

He was being sarcastic but he’s not far off from the truth and he’s not the only guy who has said similar things.

HD chances were 16-6 for the Flames so he is obviously an idiot

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Mangiapane was much better than this in 2019–20 and 2020–21 as well. I think he'll get back there. Aside from the penalties, the Mangiapane–Backlund–Coleman line was dynamite last night.

Backlund looked really good last night and stood out. The other two not so much? Mangiapane needs to sit for a few games. Dube is Dube.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I can't even follow all the arguing in this thread.
My sense of the season so far is

Reasons to be pessimistic
- The team has struggled to find chemistry and may not have the right combo of players
- On a handful are having better seasons, most are having worse
- The team may lack elite talent
- The team certainly lacks a top 6 forward, and don't have a lot of trade capital to go and get one.

Reasons to be optimistic
- Takes players time to adjust to Sutter
- The West seems to be weak including what point total will be required to get in the post-season
- The team seems to be playing better of late, including key guys like Huberdeau and Markstrom
- They've had a tough schedule so far

Do I think this is a team that is going to win a cup? No I don't. I would peg their chances at around 4-5%.

This season has been very frustrating and just not a "fun" team to watch. They lose games they should win (Montreal, for example).

And they can't seem to get scoring from their top line but are definitely deeper than last season.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

they need to practice one-timers

they need to practice the **** out of one-timers

and then apply that practice in the games

[TheScorpion]

I just think you're going to lose more often than you win with Mangiapane out of the lineup, especially if Zohorna is the replacement. Would rather see a guy like Pelletier in that spot.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Last year: 36 games, 18-12-6, 42 pts, 111 goals scored

This year: 36 games, 16-13-7, 39 pts, 111 goals scored

How difficult is that to understand, and why do you feel the need to make silly comments about Tuesday games?

Appreciate you sharing the math. I looked at the standings on this date last year, where the Flames had player far fewer games. I misunderstood his comment and also didn't remember the Flames being so bad in January last year. I was wrong on the numbers. You are right.

The Tuesday comment was just a dig at Dino's repeated complaint in other thread as he was so upset that someone showed a winning percentage calculation that didn't give Flames full credit for being 18th overall in points.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Appreciate you sharing the math. I looked at the standings on this date last year, where the Flames had player far fewer games. I misunderstood his comment and also didn't remember the Flames being so bad in January last year. I was wrong on the numbers. You are right.

The Tuesday comment was just a dig at Dino's repeated complaint in other thread as he was so upset that someone showed a winning percentage calculation that didn't give Flames full credit for being 18th overall in points.

there were like 4 other posters calling out that dumb post but go ahead and attack me, its your favorite thing to do on CP

even when I am proven right with statistics

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Mangiapane was much better than this in 2019–20 and 2020–21 as well. I think he'll get back there. Aside from the penalties, the Mangiapane–Backlund–Coleman line was dynamite last night.

He was, but even then he didn't get to 20 goals. Part of that is games played to be sure.

I really don't know if he is much more than a 20 goal scorer.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I think our D and goaltending is good enough now that they have gotten the kinks out from the start of the year.

This team’s problem is it takes 30 shots to score a goal. Super frustrating to watch as theg control the play alot with zero to show for it. They’ll do fine against non playoff teams with horrible defence. But against quality teams the 47 shots from the point and hope for a rebound strategy isn’t going to work.

There’s very little imagination amongst the forward group outside of Huberdeau. I don’t see anyone from the farm changing that. Also don’t see a coaching staff encouraging it.

Only way the Flames go on a run in the playoffs is to have a GAA under 2 or to make some moves to add more scoring prowness in the forward group. Don’t think the first one will happen.

They just played a team with horrible defence.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

there were like 4 other posters calling out that dumb post but go ahead and attack me, its your favorite thing to do on CP

even when I am proven right with statistics

Dude chill. You were right, good for you.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

I see the consensus is the Flames with another moral victory -- have they started giving out points for those yet?

Not points, but tokens. If we just get a few more tokens we get to ride the time machine and replay the games.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Dude chill. You were right, good for you.

I might frame this...can you sign it for me please

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Haven’t we pretty consistently talked about the Flames taking low quality shots all season? Woodwhatever is just pointing out what we’ve been looking at all season. He’s still an asshat, but he’s not wrong in his assessment.

We’ll see if the way this team is playing “shot volume” will work out over an 82 game season. Through the first 36 games it isn’t working. The Flames are outside of the playoffs.

He's very wrong with that as an assessment of last night's game though. The heat map shows the Flames generated tons of shots from prime scoring areas.

There are nights where the Flames generate lots of shots and are not dangerous. last night was not one of those nights.

Also, with even semi competent reffing the Flames would have had another two PP's, from which they likely would have had even more scoring chances. They did what they did 5v5.

Woodcraft didn't want to say his team was lucky to win. Whether that's because their wonder twins ego's are fragile or the Oilers organization has some sort of broken group think where he actually believes they were good, we will never know.

Flames outplayed the Oilers from top to bottom. Luck, posts and biased officiated got the Oilers a W.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Everything I said was accurate statistically...Panthers are 10 points out of a playoff spot so I'm not sure their Huberdeau assesment is aging well so far

The Panthers subtracted Huberdeau, Weegar, Marchment, Tippett/Giroux, Duclair (due to injury), and have had Barkov miss significant time to injury. They added Tkachuk.

Your post is disingenuous

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

The Panthers subtracted Huberdeau, Weegar, Marchment, Tippett/Giroux, Duclair (due to injury), and have had Barkov miss significant time to injury. They added Tkachuk.

Your post is disingenuous

Barkov misses time every season, Weegar was part of the deal he was talking about...Giroux played like 20 games for them?

come on now

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

The Panthers subtracted Huberdeau, Weegar, Marchment, Tippett/Giroux, Duclair (due to injury), and have had Barkov miss significant time to injury. They added Tkachuk.

Your post is disingenuous

The Flames have been dealing all year with the sudden absence of one of their most important defensemen. They've also dealt with key injuries (ie: Tanev) and goaltending struggles.

These guys hit multiple posts last night and still only lost by 1 goal. The whole "we lack talent, woe is us" narrative is nonsense, imo.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

He's very wrong with that as an assessment of last night's game though. The heat map shows the Flames generated tons of shots from prime scoring areas.

There are nights where the Flames generate lots of shots and are not dangerous. last night was not one of those nights.

Also, with even semi competent reffing the Flames would have had another two PP's, from which they likely would have had even more scoring chances. They did what they did 5v5.

Woodcraft didn't want to say his team was lucky to win. Whether that's because their wonder twins ego's are fragile or the Oilers organization has some sort of broken group think where he actually believes they were good, we will never know.

Flames outplayed the Oilers from top to bottom. Luck, posts and biased officiated got the Oilers a W.

Yes, I'm not sure what game people were watching to say the flames only created perimeter shots. High dangers were 16-6.

Woody's narrative spinning is telling. He is not comfortable enough to be honest with his leadership group who were frankly terrible. He could have simply highlighted a positive if that's what he thinks his group needs (it doesn't) by saying that his team did a great job of getting in shooting lanes (they did). But the need to sugar coat their performance does not bode well for him or that team in the long term.

I was ever so slightly concerned that drai and McD might grow as leaders and players from the last coach fired, which is completely on them. But they are still as singularly focused as ever. No one in that org has ever been honest with them or tried to develop them into winners. They just assume it will happen free of any criticism whatsoever. Looking forward to them signing massive deals and losing together forever in grease.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

they need to practice one-timers

they need to practice the **** out of one-timers

and then apply that practice in the games

no effing crap. They seem to take 2 mins to shoot. Rasmus, Lindholm, Toffoli and even Kadri in recent games.

[badradio]

Flames might have been shooting in quality locations, but a lot of the shots were in low traffic or they take too long to get the shots off… Things that probably can’t be analyzed. One of the biggest things I’ve noticed from this year compared to last year, our top line last year moved that puck fast! Tic-tac-toe plays (minus Johnny setting things up) this is a stark contrast to this year where puck movement is incredibly slow, they are passing it around with no urgency looking for seams. This might come down to a skill thing, but it could be coaching, it definitely is missing this year. This year they are throwing it at the net instead of looking for a set play.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I might frame this...can you sign it for me please