[PGT] Oilers 2 - Flames 1

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The Panthers subtracted Huby & Weegar, and added Tkachuk... in doing so, went from PT winners to a bubble team in danger of missing the playoffs.

They wish they were a bubble team right now, they are basically done

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Tsawwassen

The Kraken rested after four days during Xmas break can be at a disadvantage. They won't be focused.

this is when the Flames have a chance

teams distracted coming off lengthy breaks with no practice time and teams resigned to being a player on the draft lottery

if we have just enough of those in the schedule, we might squeak into 8th

these are the positive spins people are putting on the season this year

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

I see the consensus is the Flames with another moral victory -- have they started giving out points for those yet?

This post is a complete waste of bandwidth

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

if we get that version of huberdeau most nights and that kind of forechecking pressure from lines 1-4 I do think we win a lot more games

they need to get some tutoring sessions on scoring on goalies though, my god do they make life easy on goalies who are positionally sound

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That's a bit of a dickish way to minimize a discussion and over simplify what people are saying.

No kidding...why have a PGT if we cant discuss what happened. If the Flames won a game like this we would be talking about them stealing one...Flames very rarely steal one though.

There is more to discussing a game than "they won" or "they lost" otherwise this place wouldn't exist

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

this is when the Flames have a chance

teams distracted coming off lengthy breaks with no practice time and teams resigned to being a player on the draft lottery

if we have just enough of those in the schedule, we might squeak into 8th

these are the positive spins people are putting on the season this year

Or the Flames are 3 points behind last season despite all the changes and seem to be trending in the right direction

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

if we get that version of huberdeau most nights and that kind of forechecking pressure from lines 1-4 I do think we win a lot more games

they need to get some tutoring sessions on scoring on goalies though, my god do they make life easy on goalies who are positionally sound

Especially if his sniping side kick is Lucic.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

True to some extent, but it's mostly a function of skill, as in shooting ability.

Do you think Mangiapane lost his ability? Do you think Huberdeau has lost his ability?

Shooting ability matters, of course. But scoring opportunities are generated by good passing, and so far this year, the Flames have been passing the puck like it is a hand grenade.

They haven't lost their skill, they are just struggling to get going.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Or the Flames are 3 points behind last season despite all the changes and seem to be trending in the right direction

I'd like to see you show your work on this stat you keep referencing. Are you not counting games played on Tuesdays?

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Or the Flames are 3 points behind last season despite all the changes and seem to be trending in the right direction

I thought they won 10 in a row though at some point last season. There’s no way this version is winning 10 in a row. They are too inconsistent.

Win 2 lose 1 is probably how they get into the playoffs.

This years team is not comparable to last year. Probably more solid back end but way less skill up front. They need to play mistake free hockey to win games.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I'd like to see you show your work on this stat you keep referencing. Are you not counting games played on Tuesdays?

They showed it on the broadcast last night...Flames had scored more goals and were 3 points behind last season after 35 games.

Not my made up stats but actual NHL standings

Are you honestly doubting this?

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Who The #### is Ken Reid on sports net after the game and why do I want bad things to happen to him?

He is one of the many Oiler fanboys on that crap station. Almost every talking head on that station is either an Oiler fanboy or girl or a Leafs fanboy or girl.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Do you think Mangiapane lost his ability? Do you think Huberdeau has lost his ability?

Shooting ability matters, of course. But scoring opportunities are generated by good passing, and so far this year, the Flames have been passing the puck like it is a hand grenade.

They haven't lost their skill, they are just struggling to get going.

I'm in the "I'm not sold on Mangiapane" camp, he was lucky enough to have had a great season and then have a contract due at the right time. Pretty ####ty season so far, more of a liability than asset.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Do you think Mangiapane lost his ability? Do you think Huberdeau has lost his ability?

Shooting ability matters, of course. But scoring opportunities are generated by good passing, and so far this year, the Flames have been passing the puck like it is a hand grenade.

They haven't lost their skill, they are just struggling to get going.

I'm not entirely clear on how much ability he has. I'm not convinced that his production in the first half of last year is his water level.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I'd like to see you show your work on this stat you keep referencing. Are you not counting games played on Tuesdays?

Last year: 36 games, 18-12-6, 42 pts, 111 goals scored

This year: 36 games, 16-13-7, 39 pts, 111 goals scored

How difficult is that to understand, and why do you feel the need to make silly comments about Tuesday games?

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Do you think Mangiapane lost his ability? Do you think Huberdeau has lost his ability?

Shooting ability matters, of course. But scoring opportunities are generated by good passing, and so far this year, the Flames have been passing the puck like it is a hand grenade.

They haven't lost their skill, they are just struggling to get going.

Huberdeau hasn’t but he’s playing with a bunch of stone handed clubs. He’s having a hard time figuring how to serve up even more wide open net shots for his team mates to miss.

He desperately needs a side kick.

Mangiapane has definitely taken a step backwards.

[TheScorpion]

Mangiapane was much better than this in 2019–20 and 2020–21 as well. I think he'll get back there. Aside from the penalties, the Mangiapane–Backlund–Coleman line was dynamite last night.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Last year: 36 games, 18-12-6, 42 pts, 111 goals scored

This year: 36 games, 16-13-7, 39 pts, 111 goals scored

How difficult is that to understand, and why do you feel the need to make silly comments about Tuesday games?

He feels the need to follow me around and criticize every post...even accurate statistics and standings

[Jiri Hrdina]

I can't even follow all the arguing in this thread.
My sense of the season so far is

Reasons to be pessimistic
- The team has struggled to find chemistry and may not have the right combo of players
- On a handful are having better seasons, most are having worse
- The team may lack elite talent
- The team certainly lacks a top 6 forward, and don't have a lot of trade capital to go and get one.

Reasons to be optimistic
- Takes players time to adjust to Sutter
- The West seems to be weak including what point total will be required to get in the post-season
- The team seems to be playing better of late, including key guys like Huberdeau and Markstrom
- They've had a tough schedule so far

Do I think this is a team that is going to win a cup? No I don't. I would peg their chances at around 4-5%.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Flames shooting from center to pump up their stats…?!? what an idiot.

He was being sarcastic but he’s not far off from the truth and he’s not the only guy who has said similar things.