TSN: 2 teammates independently corroborate Akim Aliu's allegations against Peters

[Looch City]

10 years ago was 1970 guys.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

I don't see Aliu taking it back even if it isn't true. So, I guess we'll see but my gut says he's gone.

I dont expect aliu to take it back either, but that is hardly what will determine Peters fate moving forward. Nor should it be.

This will be all about what Peters has to say to his bosses about the whole allegation.

1) Deny it all together

2) Recall the incident(s) and apply the context with what was said

3) Admit the whole thing happened as described and own it.

There are various outcomes all based on which one of those things happens behind closed doors and/or what he says moving forward.

[Johnhitbox]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

The n word has been culturally considered unacceptable for how many years now? An adult calling a teenager that 10 years ago is absolutely horrid, if true.

Calm down. The word is different than calling him one. People need to relax. If I had heard that he called him a lazy ######! Than I say get rid of him. But when my grandma would say : turn down that nagger music. I’m not gonna disown her.


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[Aarongavey]

I wonder how often 2nd round picks who are on pace to be top 6 in forward scoring in their first professional season are sent down?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Flames are in a tough spot now, even with only one accusation, how do you even entertain keeping Peters? It would be a PR disaster.

Flames are not in a tough spot. This is something from a decade ago. This happened while Peters was with a completely different organization. This did NOT happen while he was employed with the Calgary Flames so it is irrelevant. So long as he has not used similar language and displayed similar behaviors since his hiring, the Flames should just walk away from this and state the case is closed as far as they are concerned. If the Blackhawks organization would like to take action and fire Bill Peters, that is on them and their deci... oh wait, opportunity missed.

Bill Peters should be shown the door, but not for making a racist statement about the music some listened to a decade ago. This is a gross over-reaction to a complaint made by guy whose career is coming to an end and he is likely sniffing around for some way to stay relevant.

[Johnhitbox]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

The n word has been culturally considered unacceptable for how many years now? An adult calling a teenager that 10 years ago is absolutely horrid, if true.

My point was that in 10 years ago you could say Fag, homo without losing your job. Now it’s your ass. The word being used vs calling someone a N word is different.


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[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Johnhitbox

Calm down. The word is different than calling him one. People need to relax. I’d I had heard that he called him a lazy ######! Than I say get rid of him. But when my grandma would say : turn down that nagger music. I’m not gonna disown her.


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And then you said to Grandma, "that's not ok to say, and I find it upsetting', so Grandma took you out of school and sent you to the mines, for talking back.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

wtf ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

This boat has sailed...social media killed it.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Johnhitbox

Calm down. The word is different than calling him one. People need to relax. I’d I had heard that he called him a lazy ######! Than I say get rid of him. But when my grandma would say : turn down that nagger music. I’m not gonna disown her.


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Let's agree to disagree. This isn't a grandma, this is a a person managing teenage kids at the time.

If this is true, he's not smart enough to understand where the line of appropriate/inappropriate is, then can his ass., he doesn't have the iq to be in any kind of leadership position.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Johnhitbox

My point was that in 10 years ago you could say Fag, homo without losing your job. Now it’s your ass. The word being used vs calling someone a N word is different.

I mean I'm pretty sure if you're bashing tin or roofing then you probably still can, but in a professional environment, no, you couldn't.

[flamesfan55]

Originally Posted by standinmotion

Wow, bold statement. You are calling out all the victims who are late to report the crimes. Like all the women that got abused by Harvey Weinstein, like Sheldon Kennedy, like Theo Fleury, and the list goes on. Maybe try to imagine yourself in their shoes, and have a little bit of empathy.

Hey I have my thoughts on all those. But I will leave those alone and not on a hockey forum.

If you feel you want to talk further about it feel free to PM me.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Let's agree to disagree. This isn't a grandma, this is a a person managing teenage kids at the time.

If this is true, he's not smart enough to understand where the line of appropriate/inappropriate is, then can his ass., he doesn't have the iq to be in any kind of leadership position.

Adults. Professional hockey players.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Fair enough. I just don't find any context where that word is acceptable to say.

Not acceptable, but perhaps different shades of unacceptable. If he called Akim the name it's as bad as it gets. If he was quoting words out of the song Akim was playing the least bad, (as in "that music, with it's N...N... N...") maybe? If he used it in demeaning reference to the music, (i.e. "N... Music" like some are saying) in between those two levels.

I agree with some like Pepsi and Split that whatever it is, Peters' apology is everything here.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Johnhitbox

My point was that in 10 years ago you could say Fag, homo without losing your job. Now it’s your ass. The word being used vs calling someone a N word is different.

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Maybe if I’m loading trucks or fixing roads. But in any office or customer facing role words like this have been taboo since the mid-nineties at least.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by keenan87

The other day.. Treliving was quick to point out that he is responsible and should be held accountable for the play of yhe team. It starts at the manager level and he has been horse####.

Peters is his guy. So, does that mean Treliving should also be held accountable... it would be nice to wake up to see both peters and Treliving stepping down.

Yeah, sure. Let’s go back to when the Jay Feasters or Al Coates we’re managing the team and let’s go back to the Don Hay or Glen Gulutzans coaching this team. I think a lot of people who are calling for Peters and Trelivings heads in this thread were 12 short months ago proclaiming that these two hockey men were the toast of the town. Now they just want them toast!!

[Strange Brew]

Your Grandmother is your family, while Peters occupies a position of great privilege. This ain’t about disowning a relative, it’s about Flames organization deciding if they want this guy representing their organization given the information that has come to light and results of their own inquiries.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Not acceptable, but perhaps different shades of unacceptable. If he called Akim the name it's as bad as it gets. If he was quoting words out of the song Akim was playing the least bad, (as in "that music, with it's N...N... N...") maybe? If he used it in demeaning reference to the music, (i.e. "N... Music" like some are saying) in between those two levels.

I agree with some like Pepsi and Split that whatever it is, Peters' apology is everything here.

Agreed on the apology part.

I know my black friends don't consider the context when they are upset by having that word uttered.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Not acceptable, but perhaps different shades of unacceptable. If he called Akim the name it's as bad as it gets. If he was quoting words out of the song Akim was playing the least bad, (as in "that music, with it's N...N... N...") maybe? If he used it in demeaning reference to the music, (i.e. "N... Music" like some are saying) in between those two levels.

I agree with some like Pepsi and Split that whatever it is, Peters' apology is everything here.

If true, which I really struggle to see why it wouldn't be, he's lost all his credibility as a coach. The Flames would look extremely bad to harbor this kind of leader in their organization regardless as to whether he has a tear jerking apology or not.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Twice. I found it unusual/interesting for someone who is so measured with their statements and selection of words.

Aside from that, this whole situation is ugly and does not end well.

Come on - he came out to the press and said "I know you people want a statement" or something to that effect. Every time he said "you people" it was to the people he was talking to - the reporters.

He didn't say to an unseen imaginary group "You people that come here and want to play Canadian hockey..."

[troutman]

If this story explodes to CNN, BBC, Jim Rome, etc, the pressure on the Flames will be immense.