[News] Flames done for the day. Gustafsson, Davidson, Forbort only deals

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Strength of schedule? Home v away? Though on the latter the Flames defy the expectations.

Perhaps also goal differential...

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Gustafsson deal is interesting.

Pending UFA, previous 60 point player, have to believe his contract is going to be at least the same as Rasmus in AAV.

So is the idea to just let Brodie's 4.9 walk out the door and replace him with Gustaffson, a worse player?

I'm really interested in how this shakes out and what the actual compensation ends up being.

If it's a 2nd round pick I have to question the thought process here.

Gustafsson will not get the same contract Anderson just got.

There is a reason why no one offered more than a third round pick for him.


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[iamca]

So if this team misses the playoffs or makes and does nothing like last season, then what?

Tre is going to try and wow the fan base with “hockey trades” this off season?

Tre is saying sink or swim to this current roster, which is not remotely good enough to win in the playoffs.

I think our GM is mocked by other GMs.

I am losing faith in this organization...





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[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by iamca

I think our GM is mocked by other GMs.

Based on what?
i get that some fans are frustrated - but this stuff puzzles me.
Why would they mock him?

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I don't understand how Sportsclubstats or whatever has the Flames at 44% to make the playoffs. That makes zero sense. They're in a playoff spot and have games in hand on basically everybody fighting with them.

It’s due to there being so many teams in the mix. They run thousands of simulations and flames make it 44% of the time.

If there was say only one opponent in the mix below the flames, and it was as it stands now with the flames above them with games in hand, our % would be well over 50.

But with so many teams and outcomes in the air everyone’s odds go down a little.

I bet if you look at the teams chasing us they are well below us % wise

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by iamca

So if this team misses the playoffs or makes and does nothing like last season, then what?

Tre is going to try and wow the fan base with “hockey trades” this off season?

Tre is saying sink or swim to this current roster, which is not remotely good enough to win in the playoffs.

I think our GM is mocked by other GMs.

I am losing faith in this organization...





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One thing you can bet on it seems, is the Flames will go after Hall as a UFA. I would also bet on a core altering trade, but if they do land Hall maybe they give the core one more season with a retooled D plus Hall.

[Zulu29]

I overreacted in an earlier post when I said I wouldn’t care if Tre was axed or not. I am disappointed in him not acquiring a RW to help us up front but I get prices were nuts. I expect him to make big changes this summer and will reserve opinion on his performance until that time.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by iamca

So if this team misses the playoffs or makes and does nothing like last season, then what?

Tre is going to try and wow the fan base with “hockey trades” this off season?

Tre is saying sink or swim to this current roster, which is not remotely good enough to win in the playoffs.

I think our GM is mocked by other GMs.

I am losing faith in this organization...





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Sorry, but what tangible evidence would give you this impression?

[iamca]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Sorry, but what tangible evidence would give you this impression?

No tangible evidence that’s why I prefaced the statement “I think”.

I am frustrated that the team I have cheered for my entire life is mostly silent for 2 consecutive trade deadlines, one where we were in first place and now when we are struggling for a wild card spot.

The biggest frustration is most our competition got better at the deadline both years, so there’s that.


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[Dion]

Originally Posted by FeastersBouwmeesters

Classic Trelosing deadline day, wasting assets, and not acquiring any solutions for the teams problems.

Cheers to another awful season!

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by chedder

According to sportsclubstats the win vs Detroit move us up 8 points to 44.6% chance of playoffs. And winning the cup, for this squad, is extremely unlikely.

I agree that this should be the last kick at the can for this group as it stands. I think we are going to need big changes this summer. On that note, it will be this summer that shows us whether we have a competent gm or not.

Tre is part of the core group in my mind.

If they don't win a cup this year, I would start fresh with the entire management team, trade major pieces at the draft purely for picks, go into next season knowing the team might be Detroit levels of bad and initiate a proper rebuild that doesn't have the flames trading away an entire.drafts worth of picks by year 3.

When you look at what the Kings and Ottawa have done this year, who would eager the flames will reach the conference final before either of them?

Look at the rangers just 3 years ago.

So let them have their last hurrah, and if they put everything together, wonderful, but you don't compete in this league with a 'retool'. The Lindholm trade WAS the retool.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by iamca

I think our GM is mocked by other GMs.

Originally Posted by Johnhitbox

I wonder if other GMs don’t like him. I’m not a GM, and I can’t stand BT. He’s probably burned a few bridges.

This is by far the silliest narrative I've seen today. I think someone else has said something along these lines too today. Just a very puzzling and odd take to have

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by iamca

No tangible evidence that’s why I prefaced the statement “I think”.

I am frustrated that the team I have cheered for my entire life is mostly silent for 2 consecutive trade deadlines, one where we were in first place and now when we are struggling for a wild card spot.

The biggest frustration is most our competition got better at the deadline both years, so there’s that.


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Who really got better? how much?

Calgary is better than yesterday

Winnepeg, Nashville, Arizona?

Vancouver is worse because of injuries

Edmonton got quantity but I'm not so sure about quality

[browna]

I really would've liked a third trade for a winger, if even a lateral move. I realize Quine or Czarnik is probably that depth guy, but just a freshining up and maybe hope to catch lightning and give the forward ranks some different looks, if only temporary.

Qbert at the back is a steady upgrade over anyone else outside of Brodie and Rasmus.

I fell into a YouTube vortex last night and saw AC's Gaudreau rookie season highlights, and a large number of goals and chances were thanks to Wideman jumping up on the play and feeling more than comfortable in the Flames zone. Hopefully the newest Swede can provide some of those dynamic looks, on the PP and 5 on 5, to be another distributor for JG.

Certainly cautious though by Treliving. This is far from a mandate to make the playoffs at all costs. The forwards have to find a way and a consistent way, with no external help coming, as when Gio comes back the defense may be slightly upgraded, though that hasn't been the downfall of the team to get them where they are.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Tre is part of the core group in my mind.

If they don't win a cup this year, I would start fresh with the entire management team, trade major pieces at the draft purely for picks, go into next season knowing the team might be Detroit levels of bad and initiate a proper rebuild that doesn't have the flames trading away an entire.drafts worth of picks by year 3.

When you look at what the Kings and Ottawa have done this year, who would eager the flames will reach the conference final before either of them?

Look at the rangers just 3 years ago.

So let them have their last hurrah, and if they put everything together, wonderful, but you don't compete in this league with a 'retool'. The Lindholm trade WAS the retool.

They won't win the cup this year. And Treliving will not be fired for that. If they miss the playoffs or get embarrassed in the first round I hope he is told this summer is his final chance to right the ship. I don't think scorched earth is necessary to make this team better. Trading Johnny could bring us lots of what we are missing if done right. If we can replace Johnny's points with a guy like Hall and add a top 6 right winger I believe we'll be close.

[blender]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Tre is part of the core group in my mind.

If they don't win a cup this year, I would start fresh with the entire management team, trade major pieces at the draft purely for picks, go into next season knowing the team might be Detroit levels of bad and initiate a proper rebuild that doesn't have the flames trading away an entire.drafts worth of picks by year 3.

When you look at what the Kings and Ottawa have done this year, who would eager the flames will reach the conference final before either of them?

Look at the rangers just 3 years ago.

So let them have their last hurrah, and if they put everything together, wonderful, but you don't compete in this league with a 'retool'. The Lindholm trade WAS the retool.

I don't disagree with the suggestion that BT is part of the core group. It is his team, no doubt. But I do disagree that the team needs a tear down. There is ample young talent on the roster; perhaps not enough ultra top end talent, but lots of teams have that problem and there is no guaranteed way of acquiring it especially with the new draft rules, so what does getting Detroit level bad do for you, really?
Whether BT is the guy to retool (or whatever you want to call it) remains to be seen. I would not be shocked if he lost his job this spring. But a new GM would certainly not tear this thing to the ground. There is too much good to work with.
The Flames are the definition of underachieving. Changes, yes, but, no reason to blow it up.
Regardless of what happens this season I fully expect them to challenge for the division again next year.
No offense, but the suggestion to blow it up is an emotional response and nothing more.

[iamca]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Who really got better? how much?

Calgary is better than yesterday

Winnepeg, Nashville, Arizona?

Vancouver is worse because of injuries

Time will tell, but I think several teams did at least try to get better today.

Playoffs will show how well Calgary did today.



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[Dion]

The Flames did what I expected them to do.

Was disappointed there wasn't a hockey trade where one of our core was traded for another core piece. Also could be there wasn't deal to be had or the asking price was not a fit.

[Tkachukwagon]

Flames rated as “trending down” after the deadline:

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If the Flames had managed to acquire the 2019 version of Erik Gustafsson from Chicago, then this might be a different story. But instead they got the current version, which means Gustafsson brings some offensive pop but also lots of defensive liabilities to a team whose strength was already the blue line. And for a team that had been in the market for a top-six winger, preferably one on the right side, the Flames came up empty and as a result have to find a way to shoulder their way into the playoffs with the guys already in the room. I don’t like their chances given their peculiar inability to even remotely approach their level of play from last season when they were the top team in the Western Conference. The fact that Gustafsson and Derek Forbort, another defensive depth piece acquired from Los Angeles for a conditional fourth-round pick in 2021, do not make the Flames appreciably better than they were suggests the chances are excellent they’ll be on the outside looking in come April.

From Scott Burnside of the Athletic
https://theathletic.com/1632841/2020...shared-article

[blender]

Burnside is pretty good with words, but he doesn't know much about the Flames if he thinks D is their strength. It is/was supposed to be, but it simply isn't this season and that is a big part of their issue.