2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Hunter7]

Originally Posted by getbak

Hamonic wanting to be in Western Canada is the whole reason for the trade to happen and that's something Columbus can't offer.

Wanting and getting are two different things.

Hamonic without a no trade clause can want all day. If Columbus offers the best deal, Snow takes it.

[Poe969]

And then hamonic refuses to go or retires and the bj's lose everything. In this situation, hamonic will end up in western Canada.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Yeah, hamonic could be the big shakeup the team needs. And its young players coming back which fits the rebuild template.

It might require the Flames 1st pick in 2016. Do you risk it? What if they took a bad contract back?

Id say yes, unless the Flames win the lottery so its a calculated risk.

No chance. thats a top 5 pick. Not risking it for Hamonic.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Sounds like you haven't heard of him. He's far better than a mediocre stay at home defenceman.

Mediocre was the wrong word, but on most teams he's just a 4-5 d-man. Solid defensively but what's his upside for giving up anything substantial? That's where I have the problem with his name being brought up. Lets face it, he's a young Barrett Jackman who can skate better. Nice to have, but not at the cost of the names being thrown out. Again, guys like him get a lovefest every season, but 3 years from now, you look back and say "why"?

[Oil Stain]

I bet Hamonic ends up in Winnipeg and nowhere else.

Really what is the point in moving closer to Winnipeg when he would still have to fly home from Edmonton/Calgary every time he wants to go back to the farm?

When you have NHL money you could fly home pretty frequently from anywhere if you really desire it. Does it really make a giant difference, which other NHL city you are in?

Versus playing in Winnipeg where he could commute to the rink from the family farm everyday. I think that must be what he really wants.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by fleury

Mediocre was the wrong word, but on most teams he's just a 4-5 d-man. Solid defensively but what's his upside for giving up anything substantial? That's where I have the problem with his name being brought up. Lets face it, he's a young Barrett Jackman who can skate better. Nice to have, but not at the cost of the names being thrown out. Again, guys like him get a lovefest every season, but 3 years from now, you look back and say "why"?

If you are saying he's a 4/5 you aren't familiar with him

[Hunter7]

Originally Posted by Poe969

And then hamonic refuses to go or retires and the bj's lose everything. In this situation, hamonic will end up in western Canada.

Hamonic at 25 is not retiring. He has spent most of his life working for and dreaming of playing in the NHL.
He is not giving that up to go play in the local men's league against the x-ray tech playing goalie and the waiter playing first line center

Notice how many teams have tried jumping in on the Hamonic trade?
Strange that none of the GMs of those teams are worried about Hamonic retiring.
As a matter of fact,more comments are coming out from NHL sources, that the isles should tell Hamonic no, that they won't trade him.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

If you are saying he's a 4/5 you aren't familiar with him

Or is it possible you over-rate him? I may be in the minority's but I don't see anything spectacular about him and would see him playing on the 2nd pair on a good team. On our defense he's on the 2nd pair and in the 4 slot. I see him as an outstanding complimentary player to what we have, but he's still in the 4 slot on this team. What does he do that makes him any more than that?

[Hunter7]

Originally Posted by fleury

Mediocre was the wrong word, but on most teams he's just a 4-5 d-man. Solid defensively but what's his upside for giving up anything substantial? That's where I have the problem with his name being brought up. Lets face it, he's a young Barrett Jackman who can skate better. Nice to have, but not at the cost of the names being thrown out. Again, guys like him get a lovefest every season, but 3 years from now, you look back and say "why"?

Why not simply say you have not seen much of him and cannot give an accurate scouting report?

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

No chance. thats a top 5 pick. Not risking it for Hamonic.

Wideman, Hudler and 2016 1st for Hamonic and Strome?

You get a young defensemen and a recent 5th overall pick. When I look at that I actually think Flames would have to add.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by New Era

Or is it possible you over-rate him? I may be in the minority's but I don't see anything spectacular about him and would see him playing on the 2nd pair on a good team. On our defense he's on the 2nd pair and in the 4 slot. I see him as an outstanding complimentary player to what we have, but he's still in the 4 slot on this team. What does he do that makes him any more than that?

I see him as a #2/3 D man. Thats a big difference from a 4/5 Dman like " Fleury " suggested. He plays a physical game , can skate, can move the puck, and is great in his own zone.

If he was on the flames right now he would probably take Gio's spot while Gio finds his game. In a couple of years Gio will probably be down to a 2nd pairing guy.

Hamonic would be great to pair with Hamilton. The only problem seems to be the price that Snow wants for him. He is treating Hamonic like a true #1.

[Tinordi]

If you haven't heard of Hamonic then I would suggest that it looks worse on you than on Hamonic.

Nobody's saying he's a world beater but think back to those heady days of how we valued Regehr in his prime. Harmonic is similar, not as big or as physical but more offensive and dynamic.

[Benched]

Our 1st isn't moving this year. It's going to be a premium pick.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I bet Hamonic ends up in Winnipeg and nowhere else.

Really what is the point in moving closer to Winnipeg when he would still have to fly home from Edmonton/Calgary every time he wants to go back to the farm?

When you have NHL money you could fly home pretty frequently from anywhere if you really desire it. Does it really make a giant difference, which other NHL city you are in?

Versus playing in Winnipeg where he could commute to the rink from the family farm everyday. I think that must be what he really wants.

With Calgary/Edmonton the difference is 10 direct flights to Winnipeg/day.

From the majority of NHL cities that number is 0

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Benched

Our 1st isn't moving this year. It's going to be a premium pick.

Yeah, it's probably better to load up on picks rather than giving them away. It does look like there some good NHL ready kids likely to be drafted in the first 5.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Hunter7

You realize Milbury is no longer the isles GM?

Snow would not touch that deal. Gio is on the wrong side of 30, battling injuries and locked into a very big contract. Tavares is due his new contract in 2016.

And the isles center depth is :Tavares, Frans Nielsen, Strome, Grabovski, Cizikas, Brock Nekson, Barzal. They would not have interest in Backlund either.

Snow has less leverage if he is going to respect Hamonic's wishes. The key part of that package for me would be a willingness to move Gio. Hell I would add Hudler to that package to get it done.

Snow is the guy who moved a 1st, 2nd and Matt Moulsen for Vanek and then moved Vanek and a 5th for the equivalent of 2 2nd's later that season. It is not like you are trading with Sam Pollack here

[Hunter7]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Wideman, Hudler and 2016 1st for Hamonic and Strome?

You get a young defensemen and a recent 5th overall pick. When I look at that I actually think Flames would have to add.

Isles would view Wideman as a cap dump.

They don't want players about to become ufas in exchange for their youngsters.

And I think it was the Hockey News that said Snow has gotten trade calls about Strome and has no interest in trading the 22 yr old,
Isles are not looking for picks, so while that 1st will land a very good prospect,it won't land either Hamonic or Strome who are young nhlers.

[sureLoss]

Strome right now will replace one of the isles pending ufas Okposo or Nielsen. They are unlikely to trade him.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Snow has less leverage if he is going to respect Hamonic's wishes. The key part of that package for me would be a willingness to move Gio. Hell I would add Hudler to that package to get it done.

Snow is the guy who moved a 1st, 2nd and Matt Moulsen for Vanek and then moved Vanek and a 5th for the equivalent of 2 2nd's later that season. It is not like you are trading with Sam Pollack here

I'm not saying Snow is Gm of the year, but he is not as bad as people think. For starters he has to deal with Wang ,who i think is the Willy Wonka of NHL owners. Snow has built up a very respectable team. He has traded for players in the past that didn't want to go their at first , only to have them end up signing extensions with the team.

He did pay to much for Vanek, but Snow clearly thought Vanek would put them over the hump. Can't blame Snow for what he got in return for Vanek later that year. That deadline day, price wise, was completley different than prices had been in the past and the following year. Wasn't Cammi only worth a 4th round pick that year if Burke decided to trade him?

[Hunter7]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Snow has less leverage if he is going to respect Hamonic's wishes. The key part of that package for me would be a willingness to move Gio. Hell I would add Hudler to that package to get it done.

Snow is the guy who moved a 1st, 2nd and Matt Moulsen for Vanek and then moved Vanek and a 5th for the equivalent of 2 2nd's later that season. It is not like you are trading with Sam Pollack here

The media says Snow has talked to about 20 teams regarding a Hamonic trade.
How is that respecting Hamonic's wish to play for 1 of 3 teams?

Snow traded for Vanek when Moulson priced himself off the roster and before Okposo's offensive breakout. Isles thought their $7m per , longterm contract was all they needed to get Vanek to sign. Instead only wanted to play at home in Minn.

Vanek played like a dog and dragged down his trade value. With the trade deadline quickly approaching, Snow had to take Montreal's lowball offer.
Snow is the same GM who got Boychuk for two 2nd rounders+ a conditional 3rd that he did not have to give up.
He got Leddy for a good prospect and sweeteners.
He turned a struggling Reinhart into the Barzal and Beauvillier at last summer's draft.
I have no doubt that Snow will get very good value for Hamonic, even if that means Hamonic ends up somewhere outside Western Canada.