2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

That's what Feaster would have done and it got him fired...

So better to hold on and lose him for nothing? So we can send a message that we won't be ripped off? How many times are we going to go to that well?

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

True but Cammalleri missed time with a concussion that season, which had to have hurt his value. IIRC, he was out for over a month and came back just barely before the deadline.

He'd also gotten incredibly cold before the concussion and didn't start to light it up again until the trade deadline had passed.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

So better to hold on and lose him for nothing? So we can send a message that we won't be ripped off? How many times are we going to go to that well?

I don't think a 2nd and a B level prospect was offered. I actually think it was a conditional 3rd? (could have been a 4th)

in which case... meh... I would play Russian Roulette with the risk of losing a 4th for Cammalleri. Also remember while we didn't get anything for Cammalleri, we got a surprise 3rd for Stempniak and a surprise 2nd for Reto Berra. I didn't think we'd get anything more than a 5th for Stempniak and Canadian Tire money for Reto Berra.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I don't think a 2nd and a B level prospect was offered. I actually think it was a conditional 3rd? (could have been a 4th)

in which case... meh... I would play Russian Roulette with the risk of losing a 4th for Cammalleri. Also remember while we didn't get anything for Cammalleri, we got a surprise 3rd for Stempniak and a surprise 2nd for Reto Berra. I didn't think we'd get anything more than a 5th for Stempniak and Canadian Tire money for Reto Berra.

You're right, at some point it's not worth it and maybe the Cammalleri non-trade was an example of that. My suggestion of a 2nd and a prospect is the lowest I would go personally, I don't know how Brad views it obviously.

Other teams manage to make deals like this every year though. If BT can't even get a Winnik-like return for Hudler, I will start to question his competence tbh.

[Vinny01]

Treliving traded a pending UFA during a playoff race and got great value for him (not even in the league anymore). I don't know why he would be questioned at all when it comes to deadline deals. Burke was in charge during the Cammy deadline.

[Jacks]

There is no way to know for sure how the Cammy situation affected things going forward. Maybe we don't get as much for Glencross if GM's think we'll cave in to lowball offers?

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Jacks

There is no way to know for sure how the Cammy situation affected things going forward. Maybe we don't get as much for Glencross if GM's think we'll cave in to lowball offers?

That right there!! (I'm not calling you out at all but using as an example of how some view the situation)

Hudler can't get as much as Glencross? If a GM can't get at minimum the same return as Glencross from Hudler, I question their ability to one GM and two, how to sell/negotiate..

Hudler is coming off a career year and still has tons left. Its a different beast this year and the younger guys are being given more leadership responsibility so they can prepare for the future.
Hudler is not "the guy" on the Flames anymore and rightfully so. Not because he's washed up but because the team needs to learn who they can depend on going forward. If this was a playoff/conference contender, than Huds would be put in almost every situation as he has proven he can handle them.

Hudler should return a minimum 1st rounder.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Hudler can't get as much as Glencross? If a GM can't get at minimum the same return as Glencross from Hudler, I question their ability to one GM and two, how to sell/negotiate..
.

Except prices fluctuate at deadlines from year to year. Marion Gaborik was traded to LA for almost the exact same return the Flames got for Glencross a year later.

[FBI]

I'd be thrilled if we got a first for hudler.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by FBI

I'd be thrilled if we got a first for hudler.

I think in the post-cap era where building from the draft is king, it will be really hard to get a 1st for a UFA rental. Especially when all the teams are so close right now, no single acquisition will push a team "over the top"

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Except prices fluctuate at deadlines from year to year. Marion Gaborik was traded to LA for almost the exact same return the Flames got for Glencross a year later.

Fair.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I think in the post-cap era where building from the draft is king, it will be really hard to get a 1st for a UFA rental. Especially when all the teams are so close right now, no single acquisition will push a team "over the top"

I'd argue that with that is exactly why he would get a first rounder. Most of his cap hit is paid for the season and a bonafide top 6 guy who knows what it takes to win a cup, coming off a career year, and has the ability to make those around him better.

Add he's a great guy for the room and can relax the atmosphere when things are tense.

I think there would be a bit of a bidding war for him.

[bubbsy]

Ya I could see a lot of top teams looking at Hudler.

Habs, preds, caps, etc....

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by FBI

I'd be thrilled if we got a first for hudler.

I could've seen him going for that at the TDL last year or even the draft... but now? No freaking way unless Hudler steps his game up significantly.

[ComixZone]

Eklund running Hamonic to Calgary via Columbus.

[Vinny01]

So just to play.

Hamonic, Pulok, Okposo, 1st for RyJo 2nd.

What are the Flames sending to get Hamonic from Columbus? Perhaps they are more interested in a picks/prospects package. Kylington/Anderson/Porier/Jankowski, Russell, 2nd for Hamonic?

Basically RyJo for Okposo, Pulok, Russell, top flames prospect, 1st, (swap 2nds with Flames)

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

So just to play.

Hamonic, Pulok, Okposo, 1st for RyJo 2nd.

What are the Flames sending to get Hamonic from Columbus? Perhaps they are more interested in a picks/prospects package. Kylington/Anderson/Porier/Jankowski, Russell, 2nd for Hamonic?

Basically RyJo for Okposo, Pulok, Russell, top flames prospect, 1st, (swap 2nds with Flames)

If there is any truth to it, I doubt there will be that many pieces. Not that it makes any sense since Columbus probably needs Hamonic more than we do.

[adc]

The Islanders already have Tavares as their #1 center and Nelson, Strome, Grabovski, Cizikas and Nielson behind him.

Trading Hamonic would leave their defense as:

Boychuk-Leddy
De Haan-Zdlicky
Strait-Hickey

That's a pretty terrible defense especially defensively.

I doubt Colombus is a fit because they don't really have a defenseman to replace Hamonic unless they move Johnson and they are looking to add defense not take one away.

I think the 3rd team involved in a NYI and Oilers/Flames deal would likely be providing the Islanders with the Hamonic replacement that the Flames/Oilers can't/won't deal.

So Eberle/RNH to team X, team X defenseman to NYI, Hamonic to Oilers.

For Flames I am not sure what the package would be to the 3rd team.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

If there is any truth to it, I doubt there will be that many pieces. Not that it makes any sense since Columbus probably needs Hamonic more than we do.

Good point but Hamonic doesn't want to play there. Unless the Flames really would move Hamilton (which I don't think they would) I am not sure what they could give up?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

If there is any truth to it, I doubt there will be that many pieces. Not that it makes any sense since Columbus probably needs Hamonic more than we do.

Hamonic wanting to be in Western Canada is the whole reason for the trade to happen and that's something Columbus can't offer.