Luckily I think the gov't is going to push Russian citizens over the edge with these isolation measures, and you'll see an uprising of sorts with citizens taking a fight to their dictator and his cronies.
Hoping we will see Ukrainian strikes on Russian cities. Fantasy I know.
While it might be a morale victory for the Ukranians, it would provide more justification for Putin to continue the invasion. It would also provide motivation for the Russian troops to continue and would indoctrinate a large part of the Russian population to support the war and believe the Russian propaganda that Ukraine is a threat.
As far as we know Ukraine has been very disciplined in making sure they are only striking at invading soldiers. To bring Russian cities into this would just make the war more bloody and prolonged.
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While it might be a moral victory for the Ukranians, it would provide more justification for Putin to continue the invasion. It would also provide motivation for the Russian troops to continue and would indoctrinate a large part of the Russian population to support the war and believe the Russian propaganda that Ukraine is a threat.
As far as we know Ukraine has been very disciplined in making sure they are only striking at invading soldiers. To bring Russian cities into this would just make the war more bloody and prolonged.
I was being somewhat facetious as I know this is unrealistic and would only backfire.
Putin’s unprovoked attacks on Ukrainian civilians has me in eye for an eye mode which of course is irresponsible thinking.
For those who cast some blame to nato for Russias action, I was reading up on the 2004 Ukraine election (which was before most nato talk) and involved the pro Russia candidate winning in the initial election that as thrown out due to serious issues and then losing to the pro west candidate in the re-do.
The pro west candidate was also poisoned during the campaign. Just interesting to read and consider why these countries have wanted to join NATO.
Comparing North Korea's level of restriction on access to information by its citizens to Russia's isn't even apples to oranges, it's apples to... hamsters? Something that isn't a fruit. They're not even close to the same thing. The government has control over the news networks but it's not like you can't pull up western news in Yekaterinburg if you want to. Seems like a closer analogy would be like if during the Trump years, the only news channels on TV were various versions of Fox News and OANN.
For those who cast some blame to nato for Russias action, I was reading up on the 2004 Ukraine election (which was before most nato talk) and involved the pro Russia candidate winning in the initial election that as thrown out due to serious issues and then losing to the pro west candidate in the re-do.
The pro west candidate was also poisoned during the campaign. Just interesting to read and consider why these countries have wanted to join NATO.
The preferred western candidate who won was also not great... So don't consider him a hero or anything.
There's no wonder why Ukraine and other Russian neighbors want to join NATO. The real question is why NATO wants to accept them. If a country of Ukraine economy, army and demographics would not be located on Russian border, would NATO accept it? What value do Baltic states add to NATO except for being right next to St.Petersburg? Does Turkey really brings any good to NATO except for its position to threat Russia from the south, while the other countries only threat from the west?
Turkey has been one of NATO's best allies and has a formidable army (currently considered 13th in the world). And considering it joined in 1952 it should be very obvious why it joined at the time.
NATO looked a lot different in 1952 (especially considering this was in the middle of the Korean War), and so did the Soviet Union. NATO states who initially signed on was basically all neighbouring Warsaw Pact states or the USSR itself.
There's no wonder why Ukraine and other Russian neighbors want to join NATO. The real question is why NATO wants to accept them. If a country of Ukraine economy, army and demographics would not be located on Russian border, would NATO accept it? What value do Baltic states add to NATO except for being right next to St.Petersburg? Does Turkey really brings any good to NATO except for its position to threat Russia from the south, while the other countries only threat from the west?
Pointman, how is this western "Threat" actually perceived by the average Russian?
There's no wonder why Ukraine and other Russian neighbors want to join NATO. The real question is why NATO wants to accept them. If a country of Ukraine economy, army and demographics would not be located on Russian border, would NATO accept it? What value do Baltic states add to NATO except for being right next to St.Petersburg? Does Turkey really brings any good to NATO except for its position to threat Russia from the south, while the other countries only threat from the west?
They're accepted because that is the only way a democracy can survive within their borders. Without NATO, Baltic countries become vassal states to Russia with dictatorships, repression, rigged elections, and corruption.
Before this conflict, the shift was really moving towards the Indo-Pacific alliances to act as a balance for China...unfortunately Russia didn't want to play nice and just integrate into Europe and the global community over the past 30yrs. Now despite NATO countries having an existential view of the alliance the past decade, Russia has renewed vigor in the group.
Honest question...do the books in Russia teach kids about the revolution in 1917?
Maybe we get a Gorbachev-like leader this time in Russia when the ashes settle. The wild-west mafia BS can go the way of the dodo.
