[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[BeltlineFan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

111 point season

Beaten by the oilers in the first BoA in like 30 years
Gaudreau leaves
Tkachuk leaves
####ty season where we set the record for 1 goal losses and miss playoffs
Treliving leaves

lol

Really on a roll here in Flames land

The Oilers are going to win the cup, aren't they?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

111 point season

Beaten by the oilers in the first BoA in like 30 years
Gaudreau leaves
Tkachuk leaves
####ty season where we set the record for 1 goal losses and miss playoffs
Treliving leaves

lol

Really on a roll here in Flames land

Don't forget the Oilers looking a team that could threaten for the cup.
That would be the real cherry on top of the #### sunday

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by NilssonistheReal14

I can assure you there was nothing mutual about this decision. And, this is also not the Flames choosing the coach over the GM. Right now, everything being spun by the Flames is saving face from the fact that a GM no longer wanted to be here even though he was offered a lucrative extension and the authority to fire Sutter.

Brad chose to leave. This team is a dumpster fire and he is getting out when he can. Its an impossible team to recruit players to, and combine that with the meddling owners?

They will probably keep Sutter to make it look like this was their choice. But, its not.

This is interesting.

If Treliving actually had the authority to fire Sutter and still choose to walk away then I look at this a bit differently.

To me that's for sure just that he thinks there will be a better opportunity in a better market (Easier to attract players to, no ownership involvement) this summer.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by agulati

With the season ticket renewals around the corner, I’m genuinely on the fence of if I want to keep them this year. Depressing day for sure

I've emailed them asking if they are going to communicate with STHs regarding the changes in management/future direction of the team.

Seeing as they've completely neglected season ticket holders for 3+ seasons at this stage, I'm not optimistic I'll see any sort of response.

I'd recommend you do the same.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Tre lasted a year longer than I thought after Sutter was hired but this felt inevitable from that day.

I don't have a strong reaction for now. It's fashionable to #### on the org and ownership but this is a call that could have been made anytime in the last 2-3 seasons and it would have been understandable, whether Sutter was around or not.

Tre got the blank check for a rebuild, put together the pieces, and failed to accomplish much of anything. It always felt close though. It doesn't anymore.

At the same time he was always classy, and the Flames under him were still an org I can get behind with everything from the community foundation, support of things like Pride nights and Luke Prokop, and absolutely handling the Peters situation the right way.

Someone else in the NHL will be lucky to have him.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Icon

My give a crap about the Flames factor has really gone downhill over the years. I mostly just wish things were better so my kids could have more to cheer for. At this point it's hard to continue to groom them to be Flames fans when the grass is definitely greener in so many other yards. I guess as long as they don't end up Oilers or Canucks fans it's a win...

This is bad times for the organization. My wife is a teacher and last month they had one of those jersey days where kids could wear clothing in support of their favorite team and she told me there were as many kids with Oilers clothing as Flames. This organization is risking losing a generation of fans and having Sutter run the team for the next few years is probably the worst outcome possible.

[mile]

Originally Posted by NilssonistheReal14

in this case, I can probably do better than "knowing people in the organization"

This gives me hope that the new GM will be able to make their own decision on the coach at least

[tvp2003]

Will Sutter coach a re-build? I would have normally said no chance, but given what has happened this year does Sutter actually think this roster can compete for a Cup next year (which has always been Sutter's stated goal)?

Because if he doesn't win it next year it will be a completely different (and likely inferior roster) in 2024/25. I can understand Edwards wanting to stay competitive and therefore not wanting to rebuild, but surely Sutter can see the bigger picture?

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by BeltlineFan

The Oilers are going to win the cup, aren't they?

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Don't forget the Oilers looking a team that could threaten for the cup.
That would be the real cherry on top of the #### sunday

You shut your mouths!!!!!

[PaperBagger'14]

I'm glad to see Trelivings time to be over and crossing my fingers for Sutter to be ousted or moved into a different role with the team (as long as it isn't GM).

Brad by all accounts was a great guy and cared for the team, players and the media around the team. While those are great qualities, they don't translate to success and success is in short supply around this team.

Treliving wasn't this teams biggest issue, but his track record also proved he wasn't going to be the one to fix it. I'm not going to pretend to know who would be the ideal replacement for BT, but Maloney isn't my first choice either. The status quo wasn't working and change was inevitable so today isn't as dark to me as it seems to be for plenty of others.

[ResAlien]

I hope that juicy bit of alleged inside info is true as it somehow makes this even worse. Hope you’re all fans of chaos because maximum carnage is the only thing to cheer for now

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Lot's of chatter about Edwards being the one to bring in Sutter and that Sutter and Treliving butted heads.

Lost in all this is that Edwards may have been the one to bring Sutter back, but this is due to Trelivings inability to hire a competent coach and waste a lot of good years with a talented roster.

Whenever Treliving did good, he would somehow find a way to counteract it with something bad.

9 years with a GM and making playoffs half of those years isn't exactly doing a great job.

Yeah, Treliving had a lot of rope and was allowed to burn through a lot of coaches. It’s understandable that Edwards would eventually take the keys away. I still wouldn’t be shocked to see Sutter gone before the season starts if a new GM insists on hiring someone else. I just don’t think they trusted Treliving to make that decision.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by NilssonistheReal14

I can assure you there was nothing mutual about this decision. And, this is also not the Flames choosing the coach over the GM. Right now, everything being spun by the Flames is saving face from the fact that a GM no longer wanted to be here even though he was offered a lucrative extension and the authority to fire Sutter.

Brad chose to leave. This team is a dumpster fire and he is getting out when he can. Its an impossible team to recruit players to, and combine that with the meddling owners?

They will probably keep Sutter to make it look like this was their choice. But, its not.

If your comment is correct, and I actually think your spin on it is actually the most likely reason versus anything more elaborate like coaches being chosen over GM by ownership, then the only issue I take is the "dumpster fire comment".

That's such a fan (or opposing fan trying to poke) emotional reaction to disappointing season. If it's a dumpster fire, then BT created that dumpster fire. I actually doubt he thinks he made a dumpster fire. You say he was offered a contract, with full authority to make his moves, but then later you say we have meddling owners?

I think where you nailed it, is winning in Calgary, or any smaller Canadian market is much harder to do than other places in the NHL. Brad's job here is more difficult, and always will be more difficult than the job in Tampa for example. From, taxes, to media scrutiny, to our current arena situation (which will get rectified), to your point building a winner here is tougher.

I'm guessing Brad has impressed the hockey world, and as a GM, probably thinks he's got a better shot at the cup elsewhere. Sucks for us, but I wish him well.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

This is like when the Flames kept Greg Gilbert and traded away Marc Savard, but so much worse.

I'd be shocked if Sutter lasts the entire next season before getting fired. The team is going to turn on him hard and the standings will reflect it.

I hate this timeline. This is the darkest timeline.

[Torture]

I hear Brian Burke is available, can he come repair the organization's image....again?

[TheScorpion]

What a disaster.

[Vedder]

And it makes me more bitter too. He gave an impassioned defence of the city after Tkachuk left, and then he essentially does the same thing. Caveat being that meddling owners might have really been what tipped the scales.

End of the day I’m a big fan of him, and I think this is a dark day for the franchise. Going to be a tough few years I figure.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by NilssonistheReal14

I can assure you there was nothing mutual about this decision. And, this is also not the Flames choosing the coach over the GM. Right now, everything being spun by the Flames is saving face from the fact that a GM no longer wanted to be here even though he was offered a lucrative extension and the authority to fire Sutter.

Brad chose to leave. This team is a dumpster fire and he is getting out when he can. Its an impossible team to recruit players to, and combine that with the meddling owners?

They will probably keep Sutter to make it look like this was their choice. But, its not.

Not sure what's worse.the org choosing Sutter over tre. Or the org willing to do anything that tre wants and him getting off the sinking ship.

[Flame On]

Not too disappointed by this, not a huge fan of Treliving's overall record/team building ability. But I also don't like lame-duck GM's that let Sutter call the shots and don't back them up. Not going to attract the best with that background by any means.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Was thinking of starting a new thread - should we? About potential GM candidates?

List off the top of my head:

- Craig Conroy
- Stan Bowman
- Chiarelli
- Benning
- Hextall
- Dale Talon

Who do you want out of this above list? Hmm thinking we should def start a new thread...

Who am I missing? Any AGMs around the league who have been working in their role for many years, waiting for a chance? Though if they did that, Conroy would be mighty upset and I wouldn't blame him.

With Maloney as PoHO, I would imagine a younger less experienced GM will be the target. Not sure if the more experienced ones would want to work under Maloney.