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Old 08-22-2020, 11:44 PM   #281
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Did Monahan accidentally run over your dog (a la Lionel Hutz) or something?



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Old 08-23-2020, 01:13 AM   #283
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Well, I bought this hat, I think it’s pretty sharp:




I also bought a toque for myself and my nephew, on clearance.



That’s the extent of my plans for offseason acquisitions. But I’m always open to attractive offers.



Oh you meant the team.

No idea. Nothing would surprise me.

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Old 08-23-2020, 01:21 AM   #284
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I wish I could change my username to Lionel Hutz. Would also accept "I can't believe it's a law firm!"

Oh wait, this is the off-season thread. Can we trade for Lionel Hutz? Or even Ryan "Phil" Hartman?
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Old 08-23-2020, 01:53 AM   #285
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I don't know where else to put this, but it seems fitting for this thread about all the talk when it comes to the heart and direction of the Flames.



This shows you how to do a rebuild properly, and I'm sorry I had to use the Canucks as the example, but that's how you build a team. If this mediocrity continues for the next 3 years we will start to see teams like the Canucks leap past the Flames. Hell Vancouver even made it to the 2nd round when the Flames couldn't!

For some reason this team just seems broken in the chemistry right now. It doesn't even matter if you bring in good or new guys every year, you have to address the root of your core and fix that first.

It's infuriating to watch as a fan of the team. Time to start moving on from guys that don't get it.
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Old 08-23-2020, 01:33 PM   #286
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I have no idea what salaries some of the players will make next year but here's a rough guess. I'm open to your suggestions. If my math is correct, we'd have about 1,000,000 in Cap space to play with. I have not factored in what we could get for Gaudreau & Giordano: prospects, draft picks or trades.

Defence:
Kylington (1,200,000) Brodie (5,250,000)
Hanifin (4,950,000) Andersson (4,555,000)
Valimaki (894,166) Gustaffson (2,500,000)
Yelsin (925,000) Lerby (925,000)
Mackey (925,000)

Offence:
Hall (7,000,000) Monahan (6,375,000) Lindholm (4,850,000)
Tkachuk (7,000,000 Backlund (5,350,000) Dube (778,333)
Lucic (5,250,000) Bennett (2,550,000) Mangiapane (2,500,000)
Lomberg (1,200,000) Ryan (3,125,000) Quine (1,200,000)
Gawdin (775,833) Phillips (733,333) Philp (817,500)

Goal:
Talbot (3,500,000)
Rittich (2,750,000)

Sign:
Brodie (5,250,000)
Mangiapane (2,500,000)
Gustafsson (2,500,000)

Byout:
Brower (1,500,000)
Stone (1,166,667)

Total Salaries 80,545,832 (projected Cap 81,500,500)

Trade:
Gaudreau (6,750,000)
Giordano (6,750,000)

Don’t Sign:
Rinaldo (700,000)
Reider (700,000)
Jankowski (1,675,000)
Forbort (1,893,750)
Stone (700,000)
Hamonic (3,857,143)

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Old 08-23-2020, 01:55 PM   #287
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Moving both Gio and Gaudreau for futures then re-signing Brodie and inking Hall would be the dream scenario.
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Old 08-23-2020, 02:00 PM   #288
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Old 08-23-2020, 02:43 PM   #289
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I don't know where else to put this, but it seems fitting for this thread about all the talk when it comes to the heart and direction of the Flames.



This shows you how to do a rebuild properly, and I'm sorry I had to use the Canucks as the example, but that's how you build a team. If this mediocrity continues for the next 3 years we will start to see teams like the Canucks leap past the Flames. Hell Vancouver even made it to the 2nd round when the Flames couldn't!

For some reason this team just seems broken in the chemistry right now. It doesn't even matter if you bring in good or new guys every year, you have to address the root of your core and fix that first.

It's infuriating to watch as a fan of the team. Time to start moving on from guys that don't get it.
I honestly wouldn't say chemistry is an issue with the team. The reason Flames always get eliminated early in the playoffs is due to one or both of these issues: top line doesn't perform, or goaltending is inadequate.

If Flames top players actually were close to the same level of Stars top players, Flames likely would still be in playoffs right now. Flames depth were doing what you could expect from them generally.
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Old 08-23-2020, 02:58 PM   #290
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If Flames top players actually were close to the same level of Stars top players, Flames likely would still be in playoffs right now. Flames depth were doing what you could expect from them generally.
If you equate what players get paid=best, then not really.

Monahan and Gaudreau had 6 points as Seguin and Benn had 7 in the 6 games. Benn and Seguin make a combined $19.3M, a full $6M more than JG and SM.
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Old 08-23-2020, 03:05 PM   #291
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I have no idea what salaries some of the players will make next year but here's a rough guess. I'm open to your suggestions. If my math is correct, we'd have about 1,000,000 in Cap space to play with. I have not factored in what we could get for Gaudreau & Giordano: prospects, draft picks or trades.

Defence:
Kylington (1,200,000) Brodie (5,250,000)
Hanifin (4,950,000) Andersson (4,555,000)
Valimaki (894,166) Gustaffson (2,500,000)
Yelsin (925,000) Lerby (925,000)
Mackey (925,000)

Offence:
Hall (7,000,000) Monahan (6,375,000) Lindholm (4,850,000)
Tkachuk (7,000,000 Backlund (5,350,000) Dube (778,333)
Lucic (5,250,000) Bennett (2,550,000) Mangiapane (2,500,000)
Lomberg (1,200,000) Ryan (3,125,000) Quine (1,200,000)
Gawdin (775,833) Phillips (733,333) Philp (817,500)

Goal:
Talbot (3,500,000)
Rittich (2,750,000)

Sign:
Brodie (5,250,000)
Mangiapane (2,500,000)
Gustafsson (2,500,000)

Byout:
Brower (1,500,000)
Stone (1,166,667)

Total Salaries 80,545,832 (projected Cap 81,500,500)

Trade:
Gaudreau (6,750,000)
Giordano (6,750,000)

Don’t Sign:
Rinaldo (700,000)
Reider (700,000)
Jankowski (1,675,000)
Forbort (1,893,750)
Stone (700,000)
Hamonic (3,857,143)

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Why would Kylington Quinne Lomberg be making more than the league minimum?

Does no one else want Hall? Why would anyone take on Gaudreau at 6.75 when for 25K a year more they could have Hall?

Philly might want Johnny Hockey but they would want to send JVR and his 7M deal back.

same with Gio... 6.75 for 2 years and some draft picks/prospects going to Calgary or Pietrangelo for 8 x 5 ... Pietrangelo would be younger than Gio is now in year 5 of the deal.
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Yeah Lomberg and Quine ain't getting $1.2 million. I could see them both getting blended contracts where the AAV is $750k with a $200k salary at the AHL level with a guarateed minimum total salary of $300k.
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Old 08-23-2020, 03:22 PM   #293
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The 'Old' Core... Gaudreau, Monahan, Backlund, Giordano and Brodie. A lot of good years and solid entertainment. But, I have trouble thinking that going forward with any of them moves the team forward. I'll put them in order of who I think should go, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings as much as I thought it would if they were to all go.
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$12 clearance sale at Lids?

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Why would Kylington Quinne Lomberg be making more than the league minimum?

Does no one else want Hall? Why would anyone take on Gaudreau at 6.75 when for 25K a year more they could have Hall?

Philly might want Johnny Hockey but they would want to send JVR and his 7M deal back.

same with Gio... 6.75 for 2 years and some draft picks/prospects going to Calgary or Pietrangelo for 8 x 5 ... Pietrangelo would be younger than Gio is now in year 5 of the deal.
So like I said, "I have no idea what salaries some of the players will make next year but here's a rough guess. I'm open to your suggestions."

I don't need your criticism, suggested salaries will do.
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Nobody is taking Gio off our hands without sending back comparable salary.
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If you equate what players get paid=best, then not really.

Monahan and Gaudreau had 6 points as Seguin and Benn had 7 in the 6 games. Benn and Seguin make a combined $19.3M, a full $6M more than JG and SM.
Difference is, Benn and Seguin won.
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Old 08-23-2020, 05:38 PM   #298
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$12 clearance sale at Lids?

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Lids was a tad overpriced...

https://www.lids.ca/nhl-calgary-flam...D:i-r5c0:po-15

I also got this one for $10 for when I go running and stuff. But w/o the Stanley cup side patch.

https://www.lids.ca/nhl-calgary-flam...D:i-r6c2:po-20
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Whoa, what the hell. Bought it in store this weekend for 12 cool dollars.

I've got that one without the 2019 patch as well. Full price last year.. then the 2019 playoffs happened and I was fine not having that patch.

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When we look at this team today who would the core appear to be? Here are my thoughts:

Core
Tkachuk, Dube, Mangipane, Lindholm, Andersson, Valimaki, Bennett(?)

Old guard
There are also older players that I don’t think the team considers moving or could move if they wanted to but all make significant money.

Giordano, Backlund, Lucic

Key players that could be leaving in free agency. Brodie, Hamonic, Talbot

Players that could be moved in a shakeup:

Gaudreau, Monahan, Hanifin, Rittich, Kylington, Ryan, Bennett(?)

Bennett was a toss up for me. Before this playoff run I think most fans were ready to move on and several fans thought he was worth very little. For 3 weeks in August he was a force and was once again the only player over the last 2 playoffs the Flames could count on. I lean closer to him being in the core than the expendable list.
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