CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by GGG

The next two days I'm surprised I was allowed free reign even though I could have been turned. It allowed me to just focus on analyzing vote patterns.

That was my biggest worry (that you were turned) when I saw you wanting to vote Peanut. I wasn't convinced she was a host, and thought starseed was the better choice on my (incorrect) research. The more I thought of it, the more I didn't think the hosts would try to turn you. With the numbers getting low, they had a much better shot at turning others, and they only needed you to miss once. Fortunately you never missed on a host, and got one of the turned. Again, Bravo!

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think I got days mixed up. The first day you were turned

Day 8 I had BIzaro or you as scum and I was gauging reactions by saying your argument was fake. You came in with your post listing all of your genuine reactions which pushed me to lynch a Biz. I probably get there on my own but you putting it all together in one place helped me lunch Biz.

Did you guys know who the hosts were by the end?

Well I had the spore, so I didn't want to get lynched. Had we turned Squiggs after the Biz lynch we would have won the game since it would have been 4-4.

PE and Oling knew who the hosts were, except for Mrkajz.
http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/k9RZfH8xiJ6CX

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Well I had the spore, so I didn't want to get lynched. Had we turned Squiggs after the Biz lynch we would have won the game since it would have been 4-4.

Never considered that, losing a host at that point was better than losing the spore.

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by GGG

MrK do have a link to the scum thread?

Didn't realize it wasn't posted yet:

http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/cgbVk7DknX7C

Caught up in the Jays game right now!

[mrkajz44]

Just did a quick glance through of the turned thread. So Party - you and Oling thought I was town? I'm a bit surprised because as soon as Oling turned, it felt like he started defending me. The scum agreed this was because Oling thought I was host and was trying to protect me, but obviously that was wrong.

Jeez - so all the turned thought I was town? Seb did so too based on his vote on the tied "no-lynch" day. It's funny - I think I played the strategy a bit too much that we had the turned in our pocket for our votes, but I see that was wrong now.

[GirlySports]

Good discussion in the mafia thread reminded me of how we talked about townies in mafia 3.

I think this was a much more difficult setup for scum. In mafia 3 we had a night kill and a bunch of spells.

[GGG]

Anyone have a link to the dead / spectator thread. You guys posted a lot in the scum thread.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Well I had the spore, so I didn't want to get lynched. Had we turned Squiggs after the Biz lynch we would have won the game since it would have been 4-4.

PE and Oling knew who the hosts were, except for Mrkajz.
http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/k9RZfH8xiJ6CX

So I would have won with the hosts if I was turned?

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

So I would have won with the hosts if I was turned?

Yep. We were that close.

[Party Elephant]

I cooked up a plan over the weekend to reveal as turned, before the suspicions got on to peanut, but didn't go through with it until it was too late. Obviously once ggg picked peanut it was game over.

The smartest thing I did all game was advocate the GA reveal, but unfortunately I got turned before I could reap the benefits. Once ggg revealed I felt pretty powerless, especially when the spore didn't turn squiggs.

My first mafia experience has been fun! It was a pretty steep learning curve for me with you guys all having more experience, but i think I managed alright. Unfortunately the change in behaviour led ggg to be suspicious of me which the hosts latched onto. I recently read the first cp mafia thread and one thing I noticed was that you guys were all behaving just like I was on day 1!

When I was turned I thought we would win for sure, being one lynch or turn away with all hosts alive and two turned, but alas, ggg made all the right moves so kudos to him.

Another thing I've wondered about all game is how different things would have played outhe if we had a smuggler the whole time. I know as a turned it would've been nerve wracking to pass someone the spore knowing they could be hidden from it.

[Peanut]

My lack of posting was 3-fold:

1. I hate, and am terrible at, lying. Pretending to be town for 6 straight weeks (or however long this lasted) really was difficult!!
2. I am actually really busy. Rarely if ever have time to check in at work or before my kids are in bed.
3. It was so hard to have never played before and then be a scum. Everything was more time consuming because I went through it all thinking "what would I do if I was town?" And then "ok, now what do I do as mafia?" And then "ok now what do I do to pretend I am town". So hard!!!

We were close though. So close.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by GGG

Never considered that, losing a host at that point was better than losing the spore.

Yeah part of the reason oling was so noisy the day before he got killed was to protect me and the spore. You didn't know it at the time but your investigation kept the game going for 2 more days.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by Peanut

My lack of posting was 3-fold:

1. I hate, and am terrible at, lying. Pretending to be town for 6 straight weeks (or however long this lasted) really was difficult!!
2. I am actually really busy. Rarely if ever have time to check in at work or before my kids are in bed.
3. It was so hard to have never played before and then be a scum. Everything was more time consuming because I went through it all thinking "what would I do if I was town?" And then "ok, now what do I do as mafia?" And then "ok now what do I do to pretend I am town". So hard!!!

We were close though. So close.

I didn't know you were a host until day 8, and I was turned! Oling and I were pretty sure about biz so him doing the coded message was a bit redundant. I really enjoyed throwing my coded message into a rant at biz though.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

I cooked up a plan over the weekend to reveal as turned, before the suspicions got on to peanut, but didn't go through with it until it was too late. Obviously once ggg picked peanut it was game over.

The smartest thing I did all game was advocate the GA reveal, but unfortunately I got turned before I could reap the benefits. Once ggg revealed I felt pretty powerless, especially when the spore didn't turn squiggs.

My first mafia experience has been fun! It was a pretty steep learning curve for me with you guys all having more experience, but i think I managed alright. Unfortunately the change in behaviour led ggg to be suspicious of me which the hosts latched onto. I recently read the first cp mafia thread and one thing I noticed was that you guys were all behaving just like I was on day 1!

When I was turned I thought we would win for sure, being one lynch or turn away with all hosts alive and two turned, but alas, ggg made all the right moves so kudos to him.

Another thing I've wondered about all game is how different things would have played outhe if we had a smuggler the whole time. I know as a turned it would've been nerve wracking to pass someone the spore knowing they could be hidden from it.

You getting up to speed that quickly is impressive, next game you be pushing people around. The different time zones as the reason you weren't up to speed day one, fit so perfectly with the being coached thing. You also nailed how I would have played if I was scum focus on a newb and pick a flaw and keep pushing.

I also really didn't pick up on you being turned at all.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by GGG

You getting up to speed that quickly is impressive, next game you be pushing people around. The different time zones as the reason you weren't up to speed day one, fit so perfectly with the being coached thing. I really didn't pick up on you being turned at all.

Yeah on my first day as turned I just wanted to protect the spore at all costs, then after that I couldn't think of a way to sway you without being obvious. I'm actually most surprised I made it all game without being lynched considering how often I was in the running.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by Timbo

I truly believe the key to this whole mystery is mrkajz44
I did not like his jump on Devo
I also did not like bizaro's jump off Devo
It seems plausible to me those two decided to switch in agreement
bizaro had to many townie lynch votes
mrkajz did not have any and needed one to seem like a fail-able townie
mrkajz44 squiggs post is the most polished post he has made yet...why?

Vote mrkajz44

Wow! Bang on.

[GGG]

And then we lynched Timbo

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Peanut

My lack of posting was 3-fold:

1. I hate, and am terrible at, lying. Pretending to be town for 6 straight weeks (or however long this lasted) really was difficult!!
2. I am actually really busy. Rarely if ever have time to check in at work or before my kids are in bed.
3. It was so hard to have never played before and then be a scum. Everything was more time consuming because I went through it all thinking "what would I do if I was town?" And then "ok, now what do I do as mafia?" And then "ok now what do I do to pretend I am town". So hard!!!

We were close though. So close.

Yup my first game was as scum as well. Townies get nights off, scum have to scheme all the time! So much coordination needed!

[Mazrim]

The dead thread was pretty dead this time (hurhurrr): http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/HzgXtJ6yhVj

Originally Posted by GGG

Thanks Maz for a great game. By far the best flavour. I loved the duel plot. Did you by chance write the ending for if the Host won or do you just write day by day? It really added to the urgency of the game.

I wrote the flavour as the game went. I did an initial outline for each day before the game started but the goal was always to have the Vic Viper doing what it does best while the passengers would be considered the B Story. Since I had trapped them in a cargo bay and the rest of the ship was under Host control, it would be tough to make much in the way of interesting things happen there.

I had to scrap a few ideas from the story based on how the game was progressing, and a couple I was late on was because I realized some of the ideas just weren't interesting to read at all. If the host won on Night 8, I could have the encounter with Bacterian end badly for the Vic Viper. A host victory would have revealed more information for why the Bacterians needed the passengers.

My goal was to recreate the key points of all five main Gradius games into the story, but it turned out to be too difficult. I managed to include a few series staples, such as the Moai Heads from Easter Island, the Fire stages, and the Cell stages. The final boss being unprotected and easy to defeat is also a standard of the games. Think of it as a big thank you from the developers for surviving to that point.

Some of the things I couldn't get into the story that I really wish I could have included was the Boss Rush (since the series invented it), any kind of boss reference (since the series reuses them like mad), or the high speed stages.

[GGG]

Early in this game there was the noise vs surprise discussion.

To me noise is the oling vs Squiggs spam fest or me and my day 2 girly rants. This is not helpful for the town.

What some people were describing as noise was posting theories and moving votes and voting early in the day. If you read the scum thread voting late to avoid patterns and defending their vote was part of the strategy.

This game was unraveled by looking at vote movement throughout the game. At key points where hosts were threatened who was trying to protect them. Creating this vote and post record early on is important to figure out the game.