Johnny will light it up on a new team, I'm convinced.
I don't think he'll figure it out in the playoffs for a new team either though. I think he's a superstar that can't produce in the playoffs. He'll still help you make the playoffs which is obviously very valuable. But ideally he drops down the lineup in the playoffs which probably helps him take advantage of some easier matchups. Unfortunately I don't think that happens here from what we've seen.
If we're trading Gaudreau then I think at least seeing what the market is for Monahan makes sense too. I don't think he'll ever produce to the same level without Gaudreau.
It's incredibly frustrating seeing our top players continually underperform in the playoffs, whereas Edmonton and Vancouver's top players all raise their games it looks like.
If you put gaudreau in Dallas he'd be lighting the flames up right now.
I don't think it's a gaudreau can't play in the playoffs thing. I think it's a gaudreau can't play in the playoffs as a lame duck counting the days until he isn't a flame thing.
I don't think he wants to be here and hasn't for perhaps several years.
I think the reticence to move him is the same reticence the tram had to move Bennett: they don't want to look bad if/when he blows up elsewhere.
I think with Bennett that belief is misplaced but with Gaudreau I think it's pretty likely.
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I think Giordano has been just as disappointing as Gaudreau during these playoffs. IMO Monahan has been better than Gio.
The problem is, the Flames can't afford to lose so many defenseman in one year. It generally doen't make a lot of sense to trade any defensemen that aren't UFAs.
Hamonic is probably gone. Brodie will likely need a Backlund-like contract, which will probably result in him being overpaid for most of the contract term. Gustafsson isn't great defensively. Forbert is atrocious. Kylington hasn't been developed properly. Hanafin hasn't progressed much.
The Flames can't afford to trade away Gio, despite his lackluster playoff performance.
That's an incredibly spur outlook on the defense. And too heavy handed in my estimation. Do you trade your Captain? Likely not. If you did you'd have to go max salary retention to get a deal done. Cpuld be a deadline day deal.
Disagree on Hanifin, I think he and Andersson are the #1 pairing of the future. Like as soon as next year.
Kylington needs ice time. Maybe right side with Gio to get h up to speed.
I can live without Hammer, Brodie , Gus and Forbort and Stone.
If you could re sign Brodie to a deal to match Gios remaining deal the that would help.
Flames have Connor Mackey who by all accounts will be a full time NHLer asap.
On top of that there's 3 or 4 more like Lerby, Yelesin who can make a push for a spot. Even Valiev.
Its not all doom and gloom. I think you can go out and get a RHD as well whos more of the puck mover type. Like Vatanen.
Therell be a season or two of transitioning from the Captain carrying the load, but the future is pretty bright .
I don't think it's a gaudreau can't play in the playoffs thing. I think it's a gaudreau can't play in the playoffs as a lame duck counting the days until he isn't a flame thing.
I don't think he wants to be here and hasn't for perhaps several years.
I'm not sure how engaged he's looked against Dallas this year (that's hard to gauge or quantify but he's certainly been frustrating to watch), but IMO he looked engaged (just frustrated) against Colorado and Anaheim previously. Just unable to produce.
I agree a Gaudreau trade is a bit of a nightmare because the return could blow up in your face if you go for picks/prospects that don't pan out.
That's an incredibly spur outlook on the defense. And too heavy handed in my estimation. Do you trade your Captain? Likely not. If you did you'd have to go max salary retention to get a deal done. Cpuld be a deadline day deal.
Disagree on Hanifin, I think he and Andersson are the #1 pairing of the future. Like as soon as next year.
Kylington needs ice time. Maybe right side with Gio to get h up to speed.
I can live without Hammer, Brodie , Gus and Forbort and Stone.
If you could re sign Brodie to a deal to match Gios remaining deal the that would help.
Flames have Connor Mackey who by all accounts will be a full time NHLer asap.
On top of that there's 3 or 4 more like Lerby, Yelesin who can make a push for a spot. Even Valiev.
Its not all doom and gloom. I think you can go out and get a RHD as well whos more of the puck mover type. Like Vatanen.
Therell be a season or two of transitioning from the Captain carrying the load, but the future is pretty bright .
This is all true. Yes, my post was very negative. I didn't even mention Mackey, Andersson, and Valimaki. My point is, it makes more sense to trade Gaudreau than Gio.
Just based on what the Flames have on their roster.
This is all true. Yes, my post was very negative. I didn't even mention Mackey, Andersson, and Valimaki. My point is, it makes more sense to trade Gaudreau than Gio.
Just based on what the Flames have on their roster.
Ha! I didn't even think of Valimaki either!! Yeah the Flames can really not skip a beat, doubly so if Valimaki can stay healthy and return to his incredible form from before.
And yeah, trade Gaudreau first, but I also think if they want to cut deep enough there's a deal for Gio too and you could move both. End of the day, if the Flames lose out in another 1st round series, then some earthquakes are going to occur within the team. Who knows how deep it could go. We just have a lot of solid youth ready to take on the league. And let's not forget this league is getting younger by the year.
Yep, Kessel was a loser out of shape bum with no commitment...until he lead the Penguins in scoring on the way to the Stanley Cup.
Gaudreau didn't forget how to play hockey or get figured out in a few months....he is an elite playmaker but needs to play with top talent IMO.
I think the ideal center for Gaudreau is a speedy center that can push back the defense and open up a gap
It would open up the space he needs to work around the top of the circle and dipsy doodle in the offensive zone.
The example to me was the world cup of hockey where he played with fast centers. They would drive the center lane with speed, pushing back the d-men, opening up space with Gaudreau. It's why Dube-Bennett have had success, they drive the center of the ice with speed and it opens up space on the ice.
It's why I want to see him with Bennett at C in the game tonight - Bennett has been driving the center of the ice with speed and that would open up room for Gaudreau.
It's also why I'm a bit frustrated with the coaching, if you are always dumping the puck in, then your center isn't driving the center with speed, and there is going to be less and less room for skill guys to work with.
I miss this version of Johnny Gaudreau that was a dynamic skater, he's looked slow on his skates to me this season (which is a separate discussion).
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If you put gaudreau in Dallas he'd be lighting the flames up right now.
I don't think it's a gaudreau can't play in the playoffs thing. I think it's a gaudreau can't play in the playoffs as a lame duck counting the days until he isn't a flame thing.
I don't think he wants to be here and hasn't for perhaps several years.
I don't think this is fair for past years.
He worked hard against Colorado and Anaheim IMO, he just got frustrated between a combination of bad luck and physical play that was allowed by the refs. Let's not forget he had a 99 point regular season where he was top 5 in league scoring just this past season, so don't think he's been dreading playing in Calgary for a long time or anything like that.
But something has been off this season...and not just in the playoffs but for the entire regular season too. He hasn't looked dynamic, the excitement and creativity you see from him usually isn't there, and to be frank he doesn't look like he's enjoying playing hockey this season.
Not going to try to dig into why that's the case, and if it means he wants out of Calgary, but I do think there is a mental block that's hurt his play this season.
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I know JG is often linked to Philly, NJ, and Boston, but doesn't Colorado have some space this off-season? I can't think of a better place for him.
He really would fit pretty damn perfectly for them. He fits into their cap structure specifically from a term perspective. They also play the fast pace game that would hugely benefit him.
...they also have Bowen Byram, which is what my asking price would be to trade him to that team.
He really would fit pretty damn perfectly for them. He fits into their cap structure specifically from a term perspective. They also play the fast pace game that would hugely benefit him.
...they also have Bowen Byram, which is what my asking price would be to trade him to that team.
A package that includes Byram and JT Compher and I don't worry about trading him in conference.
If you put gaudreau in Dallas he'd be lighting the flames up right now.
I don't think it's a gaudreau can't play in the playoffs thing. I think it's a gaudreau can't play in the playoffs as a lame duck counting the days until he isn't a flame thing.
I don't think he wants to be here and hasn't for perhaps several years.
I think the reticence to move him is the same reticence the tram had to move Bennett: they don't want to look bad if/when he blows up elsewhere.
I think with Bennett that belief is misplaced but with Gaudreau I think it's pretty likely.
Did it just get warmer in here? Seems like a lot of hot air just blew through.
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He really would fit pretty damn perfectly for them. He fits into their cap structure specifically from a term perspective. They also play the fast pace game that would hugely benefit him.
...they also have Bowen Byram, which is what my asking price would be to trade him to that team.
Alex Newhook is a very solid prospect as well
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Granted, our amateur scouting has found some gems throughout the years, but boy, some of the picks previous to Tree coming aboard are downright insane. Does that all rest on the GM or the advisor (Burke) or does the amateur scouting guys really think that some of the guys listed here https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/...r00005090.html were really the best picks? Or maybe, in addition to cheaping out on coaches, the team cheaps out on the scouting staff as well - or at the very least maybe trusts them far more than they should, while their 'record' of development should be taking into account as well.
Insane take...Tre's drafting has been supreme. The problem has been quantity, not quality.
TBD
4. Bennett (undisputed pick and you have to drop to the guy picked 8th for an upgrade)
60. Kylington
54. Parsons
26. Pelletier
Misses
34. Mason McDonald
54. Hunter Smith
64. Brandon Hickey
All 3 misses are from 2014 (maybe more Burke than Tre).
This is a remarkable hit rate. Beyond the top ~60 it's a crapshoot, especially beyond #100. Mangiapane at 166 and some others that sound promising (Wolf, Ruzicka, Zavgo, etc.)
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