[Rumour] Francis: All contract talks on hold for Flames

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Johnny Rotten

Just listening to Kypreos on the radio for just a few seconds, but they were saying the same thing that the Flames may have to give up their 1st pick in’25.
Don’t know all the details.

If the Panthers finish bottom ten this or next then the Flames basically have no protection on their pick outside of it being 1st overall

[Muta]

I can't believe we gave up a 1st to get one year of a $6M contract off our hands.

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Had more hope for Conroy.

I didn’t. I wanted to be wrong. I thought him and Huska were poor choices that lacked vision. Now he’s in charge of the rebuild. Brutal. A “re-tooling” won’t put lipstick on this pig.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The Habs have the Flames' 2025 first.

The Habs might get the 2025 first round pick from Calgary. There are so many conditions applied to the pick that it is hard to say for sure.

[Ashasx]

I still don't understand the idea that Brad had to entice Montreal further by creating the potential of us sending them the 2nd-10th overall pick in 2025. Like the trade wasn't already lopsided enough.

Unreal that he only had first overall pick protection on that (if Florida finishes bottom 10 as well). Insane. Should have been fired then and there.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

"Things going more the way I want" what does that even mean? Infact, your entire post makes no sense when I have said nothing even close to anything you are suggesting.

Maybe try formulating your own opinion if you're going to jump into the discussion instead of some lame attempt to start an argument about "seeing what I want to see".

It's hardly a hot take to suggest Murray Edwards is sticking his fingers in the GM pie.

You said Conroy doesn't have the autonomy to make his own decisions.

Where do you get the proof for that? Otherwise it's just conjecture about how you prefer to see the situation.

That's my point. It's confirmation bias all the way down.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It's not catering - it's playing to his strength. And IMO using him better does lead to more wins. Just on the powerplay alone.

I understand the organization wanting to play a winning style of hockey that may not jibe with Huberdeau's preference.

But hopefully our PP is designed for the sole purpose of maximizing goal scoring. I'd like to think no "Huberdeau adjustments" required there.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The Habs have the Flames' 2025 first.

Lol this again

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I still don't understand the idea that Brad had to entice Montreal further by creating the potential of us sending them the 2nd-10th overall pick in 2025. Like the trade wasn't already lopsided enough.

Unreal that he only had first overall pick protection on that (if Florida finishes bottom 10 as well). Insane. Should have been fired then and there.

The idea of the 1st rounder not being 100% lottery and top 10 protected is absurd. I am so glad Treliving took his show elsewhere. I would bet that Treliving was already planning his exit at that point and didn't care about the future.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root;8867731[B

]If losing Valimaki is our biggest problem,[/B] I think we're good.

I think the prospect pool on defense has really taken a leap forward recently: Poirier continues to progress, Solovyov has come out of nowhere to show that he is an NHLer, and Morin has the potential to be a top pairing guy. That isn't a lot in the way of prospects, but it is better than where we thought we were 6 months ago. And I expect we are going to be adding significantly to that prospect pool in the near future.

It's not.

It was unfortunately an unforced error, and there is lots of blames to be shared on that one.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

I didn’t. I wanted to be wrong. I thought him and Huska were poor choices that lacked vision. Now he’s in charge of the rebuild. Brutal. A “re-tooling” won’t put lipstick on this pig.

Ah crap, what did I miss? What did Conroy just do? I'm not seeing anything in my feed, did he make a move today? Is there another thread? Trade, signing, firing where his lack of vision is coming through?

Update with details please.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Johnny Rotten

Just listening to Kypreos on the radio for just a few seconds, but they were saying the same thing that the Flames may have to give up their 1st pick in’25.
Don’t know all the details.

They were wrong and didn’t do any homework before debating that and checking cap friendly. Flames are screwed if both they and the Panthers are in the tank next year. If both teams pick in the top 10 and the Flames pick isn’t 1st overall the Panthers keep their pick and the Flames give the Habs theirs. Could be as high as 2nd overall

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The idea of the 1st rounder not being 100% lottery and top 10 protected is absurd. I am so glad Treliving took his show elsewhere. I would bet that Treliving was already planning his exit at this point and didn't care about the future.

Or ownership demanded he sign Kadri by any means necessary so he pulled the move knowing it was idiotic and that if he didn’t he’d be out of a job.

Why else do you think he walked? He was tired of the godawful direction and mandate he was given from ownership.

[Azhouse]

I feel so good that Maloney and Nonis are in the fold…brutal.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I still don't understand the idea that Brad had to entice Montreal further by creating the potential of us sending them the 2nd-10th overall pick in 2025. Like the trade wasn't already lopsided enough.

Unreal that he only had first overall pick protection on that (if Florida finishes bottom 10 as well). Insane. Should have been fired then and there.

Brad couldn’t negotiate protections very well. He put zero protection on the 1st they gave up for Hamonic and the Flames finished one point higher than the Hurricanes who jumped from 11 to 2 that year. Flames almost handed Svechnikov/Tkachuk to the Islanders for Travis freaking Hamonic. Dobson was bad enough.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I wouldn't call it "9 games in and fans are in full panic mode"

This team looked terrible last year too, if it wasn't for the hot start they would have easily missed the playoffs. Let's not forget just how poorly they finished, not to mention the record breaking "tie game points" they obtained.

This team needs to rebuild, but at the very least reset and I hope this is the start.

Could also look at it as record-breaking tie game points lost, but I digress.

The team seems to have the same malaise as last year, no one is happy (again), a player has already called out the team... From that perspective 9 games is plenty to know if there are continuing big issues.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Or ownership demanded he sign Kadri by any means necessary so he pulled the move knowing it was idiotic and that if he didn’t he’d be out of a job.

Why else do you think he walked? He was tired of the godawful direction and mandate he was given from ownership.

He gets way too much of a pass. Our ownership takes beatings for the failings of our GM’s all the time.

The Flames should have never been in a position in the first place but Tree fumbled his top 2 players. Did Murray Edwards tell Treliving to give 37 year old Reeves 3 years term or Kampf a 4 year extension? He wanted Kadri for years and made it happen.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lol this again

No, not really. Maybe chill out for once?

[Strange Brew]

The Karlsson talk is interesting and obviously encouraging that a player who seemingly lost all value was able to revive his game. He had 4 years left on his deal though, not 8. How long do you have to sacrifice any semblance of a team game and building the right culture to prop up Huberdeau's numbers for a potential deal?

That said, nothing is working for Huberdeau so I'm not against giving him a bunch more ice time for a while, especially if it comes at the expense of other forwards that aren't doing anything. What can it hurt.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

No, not really. Maybe chill out for once?

I'm chilled

People are so wrong about this pick though