Israel declares war on Hamas

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Oh but you had a good go at asserting they were much more saintlier than they actually were. Then threw a tantrum when challenged on it.

Seriously, you can keep repeating the same #### over and over but that doesn’t change what Israel is doing . They responded to a declaration of war by going to war. They aren’t specifically targeting hospitals, they are targeting the entity that declared war on them. Unfortunately that has consequences.

Your not going to change your tune and pretty sure I’m not changing mine so for now I’m bowing out.

[Manhattanboy]

A view from Mohammed Kabiya, an Arab-Israeli in an interview with Wolf Blitzer.

“I told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer: As a Muslim, what Hamas did is the most horrific thing I’ve ever seen. Hamas did to the Israeli innocent people is like what ISIS did to Yazidi women and to the children of Syria. Hamas is the biggest danger to the Palestinian people.”

https://twitter.com/mohammadkabiya/s...08019146604726

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Seriously, you can keep repeating the same #### over and over but that doesn’t change what Israel is doing . They responded to a declaration of war by going to war. They aren’t specifically targeting hospitals, they are targeting the entity that declared war on them. Unfortunately that has consequences.

Your not going to change your tune and pretty sure I’m not changing mine so for now I’m bowing out.

I don't have a tune. I'm simply calling you on your false bs when you stated that

Originally Posted by Zevo

Firstly, they aren’t targeting civilians and hospitals.

Now they're not specifically targeting them.

Just own it. They're carpet bombing the place with minimal to zero regard for civilians whilst at the same time slowly killing people through deprivation of supplies.

For right or for wrong, that's basically what's happening. I'm not going to sit by whilst you spin some narrative otherwise.

[Manhattanboy]

Hamas Promised Fighters $10,000, an Apartment if They Brought Back Hostages, Interrogation Video Reveals

https://flip.it/_53KuD

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Bagor

I don't have a tune. I'm simply calling you on your false bs when you stated that


Now they're not specifically targeting them.

Just own it. They're carpet bombing the place with minimal to zero regard for civilians whilst at the same time slowly killing people through deprivation of supplies.

For right or for wrong, that's basically what's happening. I'm not going to sit by whilst you spin some narrative otherwise.

How did you think it was going to go after the initial attack?
Some people live in a fairy tale world.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by Beninho

It’s been confirmed by various non Israeli sources that the Palestinians bombed their own hospital. Over 550 Palestinian rockets have fallen back into Gaza. Bagor is still waiting for more evidence.

When an Israeli hospital bombed interestingly enough none of the anti-Israel poster’s mentioned anything.

It's the little things in your posts that are interesting. Refusing to say Hamas and always use Palestinians. Guess the blood lust is easier if you lump them all as terorists

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Obama actually wrote a pretty good piece on the conflict. Not really any new information or arguments, but it's interesting to see an ex-President weigh in with a balanced take.

As would be expected, he's largely supportive of Israel. But he does highlight some important points that some people seem to really gloss over. Particularly how an overzealous response that results in significant harm to civilians is likely to be counterproductive to Israel's long-term security both because it'll harden the resolve of their enemies and potentially weaken the support they rely on from the West:







https://barackobama.medium.com/my-st...a-a6c397f09a30

"Anti-Israel take! Pro Hamas! Anti-Semite!"

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Some people live in a fairy tale world.

they said without irony

[Language]

There’s been some interesting interviews on Fox News and CNN with the “son of Hamas”.

I’m typing this on on my phone so can’t readily link the interviews, but worth a watch, as he is someone who was born into Hamas and basically abandoned their movement.

I read the book many years ago and would recommend it as well.


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[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Sure. They're doing everything to avoid civilian casualties.
Sure. They're doing everything they can to ensure the hospitals don't run out of fuel or supplies and the civilian population their medication.
Over 5k deaths and counting. All accidents. Nope no indiscriminate bombing at all.

If Israel were really bombing indiscriminately, that figure would be 50k+.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

It's the little things in your posts that are interesting. Refusing to say Hamas and always use Palestinians. Guess the blood lust is easier if you lump them all as terorists

Would actually be nice if this was cleared up. I have been getting 90% of my information on this conflict by reading CP, so thanks for the contributions by everyone.

I know what Hamas is, and who the Palestinians are, but who is the group who supposedly shot the missile that landed in the hospital parking lot? Is this group working with Hamas? Or am I totally off base on this?
Thanks in advance.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Would actually be nice if this was cleared up. I have been getting 90% of my information on this conflict by reading CP, so thanks for the contributions by everyone.

I know what Hamas is, and who the Palestinians are, but who is the group who supposedly shot the missile that landed in the hospital parking lot? Is this group working with Hamas? Or am I totally off base on this?
Thanks in advance.

Palestinian Islamic Jihad shot that rocket.

They are much smaller than Hamas, but with a similar ideology. I believe they coordinate their attacks with Hamas, but like everything in this conflict, it's hard to verify the information.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If Israel were really bombing indiscriminately, that figure would be 50k+.

Civilian Deaths by the numbers:

~283 Palestinians per day (~113 children per day) for the 18 day Israel-Palestine war

vs

~17.5 Ukrainians per day (~1 child per day) for the first 18 months of the Russia-Ukraine war

Israel has killed more than half as many civilians in 2.5 weeks as Russia has in 1.5 years

Israel has killed 5x more children than Russia in under 6% of the time. That's efficiency and precision!

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Civilian Deaths by the numbers:

~283 Palestinians per day (~113 children per day) for the 18 day Israel-Palestine war

vs

~17.5 Ukrainians per day (~1 child per day) for the first 18 months of the Russia-Ukraine war

Israel has killed over 50% more civilians in under a month than Russia has in a year in a half.

Israel has killed 5x more children than Russia in under 6% of the time. That's efficiency and precision!

not that I am doubting your honesty, but what is the source for these numbers?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Civilian Deaths by the numbers:

~283 Palestinians per day (~113 children per day) for the 18 day Israel-Palestine war

vs

~17.5 Ukrainians per day (~1 child per day) for the first 18 months of the Russia-Ukraine war

Israel has killed over 50% more civilians in under a month than Russia has in a year in a half.

Israel has killed 5x more children than Russia in under 6% of the time. That's efficiency and precision!

Yeah, but see… they could kill more. And that’s a good thing. That means they’re showing restraint and doing things correctly, because they could kill more.

It’s like the “You wanna see genocide? If Israel wanted to, they could REALLY commit genocide!”

It doesn’t matter that they’re killing Palestinians at a far higher rate than Russia is in Ukraine or the US was in the war on terror. It’s that they could kill even more if they wanted to, so… kudos to Israel.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

not that I am doubting your honesty, but what is the source for these numbers?

Ukrainian numbers are only til Sept 10th (first 18 months):

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...2024%2C%202022.

Palestinian #s:

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142687

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Ukrainian numbers are only til Sept 10th (first 18 months):

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...2024%2C%202022.

Palestinian #s:

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142687

Hey man, why don't you go focus on other wars, stop picking on Israel you antisemite. Facts are antisemitic.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Civilian Deaths by the numbers:

~283 Palestinians per day (~113 children per day) for the 18 day Israel-Palestine war

vs

~17.5 Ukrainians per day (~1 child per day) for the first 18 months of the Russia-Ukraine war

Israel has killed over 50% more civilians in under a month than Russia has in a year in a half.

Israel has killed 5x more children than Russia in under 6% of the time. That's efficiency and precision!

Hamas is operating out of 40 km x 10 km built-up area. Ukraine’s military is spread out over a vastly, vastly larger area. They also don’t deliberately base their military units, artillery, etc. in and around dense civilian infrastructure.

But it is worth considering why some civilians killed in war seem to matter more than others. For example, why does the public in the West (and in the Arab world, as far as I can see) care far, far more about dead Palestinians than dead Yemeni? 375k dead and counting, and almost zero media coverage of it or public protests.

[Doctorfever]

I think there will be far more Palestinians killed compared to Ukrainians. The Ukrainians are not deliberately using civilians as human shields, whereas Hamas whole strategy is to use Palestinians as human shields.

I don’t see it as being apples to apples.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Palestinians could make peace with Israel, denounce terror, and see what happens. Israel says if they are guaranteed peace they will work out a deal. That is the approach, terror will just continue their downward trajectory.

The idea that Palestinian violence is a reaction to Israel denying Palestinians an independent state is absurd. The Israelis have at several points offered the Palestinians an independent state. The last major offer was 95% of the West Bank, plus land from Northern Israel and the Sinai dessert to compensate for the other 5%, with most of that 5% being directly around Jerusalem, an area that has had a Jewish majority for almost 200 years.

The longer the violent tactics go on for, the less likely Israel is to offer a state.

The idea that Hamas' violence is some form of justified opposition that is producing results is completely absurd. It has the complete opposite effect. Israel, like any other nation, is not going to allow a government of psychopaths to set up a state that borders their entire territory and would be very difficult to defend. Every violent action that Hamas takes decreases the odds of and delays a Palestinian state.