Israel declares war on Hamas

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Is it too much to ask them not to target hospitals and civilians?

Ahh falling for the Hamas propaganda

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Ahh falling for the Hamas propaganda

No. Simply asking is it too much to ask the Israelis not to target civilians and hospitals.

But again, dishonest little poster. You try and deflect from your dishonest false accusations. I repeat.

Originally Posted by Bagor

Where did I say that Israel dropped the bomb on the hospital?

Originally Posted by Bagor

Where did I say that I believed Al Jazeera's article on the hospital bombing?

[afc wimbledon]

The problem for both sides here is nothing they do will change anything, Israel being restrained won't do a thing at this point, within the region they are hated as it is a convenient scapegoat to keep the average Arab from questioning why he/she lives in abject poverty surrounded by corruption and incompetence in every country that isnt sitting on a #### ton of oil and often in those ones as well, if Israel gives land back it won't stop the attacks, it just makes them more vulnerable.

For Palestinians there is nothing they can do, they are in the same position as our native population, they have no ability to change anything and any type of fight just loses them land and blood and makes their situation worse, they will be living in those same crap reservations in 50 or a 100 years because in truth there is nothing the rest of the muslim world can do to change anything, nor frankly are they prepared to do much beyond make statements of support

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

What ended ISIS was the people turned on them. The US and Iraqis used a targeted social media and disinformation campaign that undermined ISIS and completely stemmed the flow of bodies and money into their network. Their recruitment efforts were nullified and that made them vulnerable to attrition, something they never had to face prior to that. Stemming the flow of money put an expiration date on the organization but when the people started ratting them out, and making them easy targets, their extinction came quickly.

You are distorting what historically happened to fit your own narrative. Funding of ISIS from never came from social media, from ISIS's own captured records it was primarily oil and gas revenues, sale of illicitly obtained cultural artifacts, extortion/kidnappings/ransom, and taxes on captured areas. Funding from online sources is a distant sixth place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financ...0organizations

Coalition forces ran concerted campaigns to cut off ISIS oil supplies and sales. This directly lead to ISIS being forced to cut militant salaries by a third while forcing huge taxes on areas they occupied. The local populations being levied huge taxes, lots of which were for minor religious violations, did far more to alienate them from local communities, cutting recruitment, and thereby accelerating their decline than any social media campaign (which barely any study on the decline of ISIS mentions). Conflicts and war are always sustained logistics and funding. Can't recruit, campaign, or arm if you don't have money.
https://theglobalcoalition.org/ar/%D...7%D8%B9%D8%B4/

[TherapyforGlencross]

Many news agencies have now retracted their statement on the hospital bombing. How hard is it to accept that as fact (as close as we can get in war).

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1716478463958229109

[afc wimbledon]

Hard to square complaining about Israel stealing land when you live on stolen land yourself

[afc wimbledon]

On the one hand Yoho wants to agree with me because it owns the Libtards but on the other that means admitting we live on stolen land, tough call for him

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

On the one hand Yoho wants to agree with me because it owns the Libtards but on the other that means admitting we live on stolen land, tough call for him

Yoho will be trying to puzzle out what you mean by "stolen land" for awhile, methinks. Watch for smoke.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The problem for both sides here is nothing they do will change anything, Israel being restrained won't do a thing at this point, within the region they are hated as it is a convenient scapegoat to keep the average Arab from questioning why he/she lives in abject poverty surrounded by corruption and incompetence in every country that isnt sitting on a #### ton of oil and often in those ones as well, if Israel gives land back it won't stop the attacks, it just makes them more vulnerable.

For Palestinians there is nothing they can do, they are in the same position as our native population, they have no ability to change anything and any type of fight just loses them land and blood and makes their situation worse, they will be living in those same crap reservations in 50 or a 100 years because in truth there is nothing the rest of the muslim world can do to change anything, nor frankly are they prepared to do much beyond make statements of support

Palestinians could make peace with Israel, denounce terror, and see what happens. Israel says if they are guaranteed peace they will work out a deal. That is the approach, terror will just continue their downward trajectory.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Bagor

No. Simply asking is it too much to ask the Israelis not to target civilians and hospitals.

Is it too much to ask to the Hamas to stop hiding behind civilians and firing their rockets from locations next door to hospitals? The chicken ####s don’t have the balls to fight fair and they want innocent people killed for their propaganda machine.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Bagor

No. Simply asking is it too much to ask the Israelis not to target civilians and hospitals.

But again, dishonest little poster. You try and deflect from your dishonest false accusations. I repeat.

Firstly, they aren’t targeting civilians and hospitals. They are targeting Hamas, which along with being terrorist are also the military wing of the governing party of Gaza. They declared war on Israel and Israel has responded. Unfortunately for Palestinians, Hamas now fires rockets from and hides behind apartments, schools, etc. The last hostage Hamas had was a soldier they held for 5 years and Israel exchanged how many palestinians(Hamas) for him? 100 or was it 1000, and it looks like at least one of them has been identified as being involved in the slaughter of 1400 Israelis.

Secondly, they are at war with a State that declared war by targeting and celebrating killing almost exclusively civilians. They didn’t target military installations with civilians casualties, they raped and tortured…then celebrated.

If Hamas( the actual governing body of Gaza) has any interest in helping its own citizens, they would release all the hostages. Why would Israel hold back at this point? It took 5 years to get 1 soldier back. Hamas set this current conflict in motion and they are doing #### all to stop it.

[PepsiFree]

Damn guys, is Hamas bad? Who woulda thunk.

Good thing establishing that fact is the only thing you need to do to defend, excuse, or justify literally everything Israel has done or is doing. Takes a load off my mind.

[WCW Nitro]

It really is amazing that some still state that Israel does not target civilians after the past few weeks, including actions like blocking food,water, and aid.

[Zevo]

Typical Pepsi response. You don’t disappoint.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

It really is amazing that some still state that Israel does not target civilians after the past few weeks, including actions like blocking food,water, and aid.

Release the hostages.

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Release the hostages.

You mean the thousands of Palestinians being held without charge in Israel?

[Bagor]

Sure. They're doing everything to avoid civilian casualties.
Sure. They're doing everything they can to ensure the hospitals don't run out of fuel or supplies and the civilian population their medication.
Over 5k deaths and counting. All accidents. Nope no indiscriminate bombing at all.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

You mean the thousands of Palestinians being held without charge in Israel?

Nope. I’m talking about the current conflict that started when when the government of Gaza declared war on Israel by murdering 1400 men, women and children. Not by going after military targets that The IDF were hiding behind or firing rockets from.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Typical Pepsi response. You don’t disappoint.

What kind of response did you want?

“You’re right, Hamas should release the hostages and stop doing terrorism!”

Do you think anybody here doesn’t already believe that? Like, what are we doing here at this point? Do we honestly think the point anyone is making in defence of Palestinians or in criticism of the Israeli government has anything to do with a defence of Hamas? Come on.