2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[PeteMoss]

Believe the comment was that he heard from someone who said they might have pulled it because they were winning. He didn't outright say that was the case.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by keenan87

For those saying the Devils won't make the playoffs this season, thats totally fair and they may not need Markstrom this season.

However, it could make sense for them to acquire Markstrom now so he gets used to the system and environment - this way he can hit the ground running next season and there is no 15-20 game adjustment period.

It doesn’t make sense for devils to do the trade now. They are in the same position as Calgary where having Markstrom on team will cost you draft positioning with a very very small chance at making playoffs.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

It doesn’t make sense for devils to do the trade now. They are in the same position as Calgary where having Markstrom on team will cost you draft positioning with a very very small chance at making playoffs.

We've heard NJD has Marky as #1 on their board, and are willing to wait until the off-season.

The only thing that really has an impact right now would be whether or not a 2024 1st is involved.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

“possibility” “what he believed happened”

That doesn’t seem overly confirmed to me, that seems like speculation.

Friedman also throws a lot at the wall and his source on a point doesn’t always come from inside the room. Pretty easy for someone like Fitz to put out to the media that Calgary pulled the deal in order to save face himself.

People who are obsessed with owner meddling and the Flames “not rebuilding” despite trading Lindholm, Zadorov, Toffoli, Tanev, etc. want to believe this, sure, but it doesn’t track.

Sure, but if we’re to believe they tried to re-sign all but Zadorov and Toffoli, it doesn’t feel like a ‘rebuild’ direction with too much conviction.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by daveinspruce

Looks to me this team might still be a mess.
Looks like Murray shut down the trade to NJ because he’s delusional about this team and making the playoffs. This clown is a hinderance to our success.

We don't know that for sure, we're just thinking out loud here

Originally Posted by daveinspruce

Other point why in the hell are we allowing Hanifin to dictate where the hell he want to go? Him and his agent are handcuffing this team. Connie he should go to who ever decides to give us the best package…

I think the idea is you get more in a trade if someone is getting him for several years instead of just a few months

[PeteMoss]

Here is the exact wording by Friedman on the podcast:
"by the way, I'll also say this, I know a lot of people, including myself believe the deal fell apart over retention or what Calgary considered the proper price over retention. On Saturday, someone else said to me that they heard that it wasn't even that, so much as Calgary just saw how Markstrom was going and how the team was starting to go and they just said look we can make the playoffs and we're not doing this. So there's a second reason that this may have fallen apart."

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

It doesn’t make sense for devils to do the trade now. They are in the same position as Calgary where having Markstrom on team will cost you draft positioning with a very very small chance at making playoffs.

I'd be pissed if I was a Devils fan. If they fire Ruff and get a goalie two months ago, they're likely 2nd in the Metro right now

[Jiggy]

This deal supposedly was talked about before the Flames went on an Eastern road trip. They lost 3 out of 4 games before that trip.

Maybe it's close to TDL and everyone is looking for clicks to their podcast.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Here is the exact wording:
"by the way, I'll also say this, I know a lot of people, including myself believe the deal fell apart over retention or what Calgary considered the proper price over retention. On Saturday, someone else said to me that they heard that it wasn't even that, so much as Calgary just saw how Markstrom was going and how the team was starting to go and they just said look we can make the playoffs and we're not doing this. So there's a second reason that this may have fallen apart."

‘Someone else said to me’ seems pretty vague. With the impending TDL a report like this doesn’t shock me; before it was this EF was positive it was retention related for why the trade fell through. I still think it comes back to cost, flames are willing to move Markstrom but don’t have to yet unless the price is more than fair. Starters playing at the top of their game rarely become available so I don’t blame Conroy if the sticking point was cost as first suggested. I’m in agreement though that I wish a trade just happened now because the Flames are almost guaranteed a mushy middle finish at this point and Tij is pushing into the top 10.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Sure, but if we’re to believe they tried to re-sign all but Zadorov and Toffoli, it doesn’t feel like a ‘rebuild’ direction with too much conviction.

They never said they were “ rebuilding”. They have been pretty open about it and have said it’s a “re-tool” all along.

[Jiggy_12]

I’m more inclined to believe what I see as I opposed to what I hear. Everything I have seen so far has shown me the Flames have a plan and will act on it, regardless of how many games they win before the deadline

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

They never said they were “ rebuilding”. They have been pretty open about it and have said it’s a “re-tool” all along.

Flames have traded:

Toffoli, Zadorov, Lindholm, Tanev

They have acquired:

Sharangovich
3rd round pick
3rd round pick
5th round pick
1st round pick
4th round pick
Brzustewicz
Kuzmenko (effectively a cap-dump with maybe some upside)
Jurmo
2nd round pick
Gurshnikov

Noah Hanifin is still on his way to being traded. Markstrom is arguably likely to be traded either in-season or in the off-season.

"Don't call it a rebuild"

...it looks to be one of the deepest cutting sell-offs in recent NHL history.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Flames have traded:

Toffoli, Zadorov, Lindholm, Tanev

They have acquired:

Sharangovich
3rd round pick
3rd round pick
5th round pick
1st round pick
4th round pick
Brzustewicz
Kuzmenko (effectively a cap-dump with maybe some upside)
Jurmo
2nd round pick
Gurshnikov

Noah Hanifin is still on his way to being traded. Markstrom is arguably likely to be traded either in-season or in the off-season.

"Don't call it a rebuild"

...it looks to be one of the deepest cutting sell-offs in recent NHL history.

Don’t be surprised if they use some of that draft capital in trade for players around the draft. And again they have been and were hoping that hanifin and tanev re-signed. That aligns more with a re-tool approach.

[FurnaceFace]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Here is the exact wording by Friedman on the podcast:
"by the way, I'll also say this, I know a lot of people, including myself believe the deal fell apart over retention or what Calgary considered the proper price over retention. On Saturday, someone else said to me that they heard that it wasn't even that, so much as Calgary just saw how Markstrom was going and how the team was starting to go and they just said look we can make the playoffs and we're not doing this. So there's a second reason that this may have fallen apart."

All that is missing is EK3 or whatever the Eklund code is at the end of it.

[traptor]

Yeah this teams not rebuilding.

They sold the UFAs because they had to. They'd rather of re-signed them.

It's a new GM and a new roadmap to the goal but the goal is still the same, "remain competitive".

They're going to be going for playoffs next year too.
Don't be supprised when the offseason moves reflect this.

Not what I would do.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Flames have traded:

Toffoli, Zadorov, Lindholm, Tanev

They have acquired:

Sharangovich
3rd round pick
3rd round pick
5th round pick
1st round pick
4th round pick
Brzustewicz
Kuzmenko (effectively a cap-dump with maybe some upside)
Jurmo
2nd round pick
Gurshnikov

Noah Hanifin is still on his way to being traded. Markstrom is arguably likely to be traded either in-season or in the off-season.

"Don't call it a rebuild"

...it looks to be one of the deepest cutting sell-offs in recent NHL history.

What they do with the vacant roster spots and newly acquired picks will put some definition to ‘build’ or ‘tool’.

Surely, the need to finish bottom 10 next year to not lose that first round pick must be driving the bus to an extent.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Sure, but if we’re to believe they tried to re-sign all but Zadorov and Toffoli, it doesn’t feel like a ‘rebuild’ direction with too much conviction.

And Zadorov and Toffoli demanded trades.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Flames have traded:

Toffoli, Zadorov, Lindholm, Tanev

They have acquired:

Sharangovich
3rd round pick
3rd round pick
5th round pick
1st round pick
4th round pick
Brzustewicz
Kuzmenko (effectively a cap-dump with maybe some upside)
Jurmo
2nd round pick
Gurshnikov

Noah Hanifin is still on his way to being traded. Markstrom is arguably likely to be traded either in-season or in the off-season.

"Don't call it a rebuild"

...it looks to be one of the deepest cutting sell-offs in recent NHL history.

Personally I feel like a rebuild is rostering a team with a whole lot of meh in front. Like current San Jose or Chicago, or the Flames in 2013-2015. We’re still icing a competitive roster, while also trading pending UFAs who either don’t want to be here or their value is relatively high.

Just because we’ve gained a lot of assets this season doesn’t mean we’re in a full tear down rebuild.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Don’t be surprised if they use some of that draft capital in trade for players around the draft. And again they have been and were hoping that hanifin and tanev re-signed. That aligns more with a re-tool approach.

Yeah, you definitely may be right on this front.

...jeepers I hope not though.

The Flames cannot escape the lack of a top-end to this roster. They don't have the horses.

This entire season's futility was the easiest thing in the world to see coming as well. I'm thankful that Toffoli, Zadorov, Lindholm, and Tanev all effectively forced Conroy's hand and that Hanifin is doing the same - and I'm hopeful Markstrom does it too.

This team needs to be saved from itself.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by traptor

Yeah this teams not rebuilding.

They sold the UFAs because they had to. They'd rather of re-signed them.

It's a new GM and a new roadmap to the goal but the goal is still the same, "remain competitive".

They're going to be going for playoffs next year too.
Don't be supprised when the offseason moves reflect this.

Don't think they'd almost have Markstrom out the door if that was the case.