Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[WhiteTiger]

Smith has released her statement. Looks like she's replaced Trump's PP in her mouth with PP's.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1917211802665894381

[direwolf]

She’s such a f’n loser.

[Erick Estrada]

I also want to sincerely thank
@PierrePoilievre
for his powerful and principled advocacy against the last decade’s punitive taxation and anti-resource policies that have made our country weaker, more divided and overly-dependent on the United States.

I know you guys hate her but this is 100% correct.

[MrButtons]

Considering how exhausting the communication from the Premier's office is about to be, my new game is trying to get individuals to understand provincial vs. federal responsibilities. Already 0/1 at work but I'm not giving up yet

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Appreciate you ensuring I don’t float away, but that’s not exactly how it’s been. Case in point:



I mean they didn’t have 10 months, but are they still in a better position today than they would have been if they forced an election early and handed it to the Cons? Maybe. But I was right that they had sacrificed a lot in the polls, so I don’t know how much better I could have called it.

I’ve also acknowledged that Singh was not long for his position.

So what can I say, I just have great farts and “get” politics a little better than most. Don’t worry about patting me on the back, I’ve got it covered.

Your whole thesis is predicated on the illusion that the NDP (and you) know what’s better for Canadians than Canadians though. Clearly Canadians don’t agree with that, and they are voting as such. You can continue to pat yourself on the back and think that means you “get” politics better than most, or you can actually look at why voters are clearly not happy with the platform and message that the NDP has been doling out.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I know you guys hate her but this is 100% correct.

Except she should have included herself in that sentence. Her ultra MAGA, anti Canadian, extremely divisive pro Trump - pro American rhetoric makes Canada weaker.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

So is Singh a hero? (pharmacare, dental care etcc, and most importantly, blocking PP's path to being Prime Minister?)

Or is he a failure? (losing his own seat, losing official party status)

Pepsifee brought it up. Canadian politics can be weird. Is it better to have 7 seats in a Liberal minority government or 100 seats in a Conservative majority government (like 2011)

Why not both?

Singh and the NDP did great work to get their policies into the last minority government... but they failed to really take credit for the policies. They needed to find a way to own them as a part of their deal and raise the NDP popularity.

But probably more problematic is that Singh ran the party more into "Neoliberalism" than "progressive populism". It takes the party away from their base and most progressives saw that and figured that their vote would be better spent blocking the conservatives than supporting an NDP that wasn't being properly progressive and populist.

Instead of trying to drive the NDP into the political center to try and get Liberal voters, Singh needed to plant the party firmly on the left and worked to sway over people to a truly populist movement. Hopefully the next NDP leader can do that more successfully and steal votes from both the Libs and Cons.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

Your whole thesis is predicated on the illusion that the NDP (and you) know what’s better for Canadians than Canadians though. Clearly Canadians don’t agree with that, and they are voting as such. You can continue to pat yourself on the back and think that means you “get” politics better than most, or you can actually look at why voters are clearly not happy with the platform and message that the NDP has been doling out.

It isn’t, and I don’t think you understand my “thesis” at all nor what is best for Canadians. But I appreciate your effort to engage and make this about the NDP in these trying times.

While my comment about “getting politics” was obviously tongue-in-cheek and more just highlighting that I saw what some of you didn’t, it’d be foolish to continue pretending I haven’t looked at nor understand why the NDP lost seats. It’s pretty clear, both why some went Liberal and why some went Conservative.

[Johnny Makarov]

there are still 6-8 ridings who still have at least 1 special balllot poll left to count. and they are in the 1000s. Still a chance to get to 172.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

Your whole thesis is predicated on the illusion that the NDP (and you) know what’s better for Canadians than Canadians though. Clearly Canadians don’t agree with that, and they are voting as such. You can continue to pat yourself on the back and think that means you “get” politics better than most, or you can actually look at why voters are clearly not happy with the platform and message that the NDP has been doling out.

I wish this specific sentiment would get through to all the right-wingers in this province today who want to take their ball and go home become the 51st state because their team lost again.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

So is Singh a hero? (pharmacare, dental care etcc, and most importantly, blocking PP's path to being Prime Minister?)

Or is he a failure? (losing his own seat, losing official party status)

Pepsifee brought it up. Canadian politics can be weird. Is it better to have 7 seats in a Liberal minority government or 100 seats in a Conservative majority government (like 2011)

I don't think he did this at all. In fact, without the NDP the Liberals would have a clear majority government.

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I know you guys hate her but this is 100% correct.

No it isnt

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I know you guys hate her but this is 100% correct.

It's not. Unless anti-resource means caving in to every oil and gas industry demand and ignoring all other issues around PNG extraction.

The industry has had record profits under the Liberals. https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bak...2022-1.6552917

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't think he did this at all. In fact, without the NDP the Liberals would have a clear majority government.

If Singh had toppled the government a few months earlier while Trudeau was still leader of the Liberals and before Trump turned his lazy eye on Canada, we would likely have a Conservative majority government possibly with a NDP opposition. The Liberals were polling so poorly that they were expected to not even maintain party status.

In that way, Singh did the right thing and kept the government running long enough for the Liberals to figure our their mess and stop the Conservative wave.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Wolven

If Singh had toppled the government a few months earlier while Trudeau was still leader of the Liberals and before Trump turned his lazy eye on Canada, we would likely have a Conservative majority government possibly with a NDP opposition. The Liberals were polling so poorly that they were expected to not even maintain party status.

In that way, Singh did the right thing and kept the government running long enough for the Liberals to figure our their mess and stop the Conservative wave.

In that way (though it may have had something to do with his pension). But there's no doubt that the way the election was going, the NDP involvement made a few seats go Conservative due to a vote split and also cost the Liberals seats that the NDP won.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Sorry let me just bask in the abridged version of my deadly accurate prediction and the very astute responses.


Everybody clap.

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Yes, we all had those moments...



which led to....


And thanks to Firebot for caping that conversation off.


Ya... things happened.

Anyone do a wellness check on Goriders?

Here i am happy to see Hogan / Carney win, and what should be a complete wake up call to the CPC to ditch Maple MAGA and the toxicity to fight for Canada instead, and here the usuals are smelling their farts in the morning. Never change.

Not sure what the point of posting the past when the political landscape was completely different from today as if nothing happened in the world since those were posted. I don't recall either of you claiming that Trump would completely turn the world around including our politics upside down as it did when you made those posts, just that things could change.

Carney won over folks by being the opposite of Trudeau, while also being the opposite of Poilievre at time when we needed strong calculated actions versus ideology, gaslighting and populist rhetoric. He gave a viable alternative for those who want to fight Trump while providing a real fiscal plan to do so, which Poilievre completely failed to do at his own detriment. I voted Liberal this election due to the changing climate and need for a better leader to take on the current challenges. I have no regrets in my vote, or how I saw things prior when Trudeau-Singh's coalition was deeply unpopular for good reason.

Yes things did happen and change did in fact occur, and I even changed with it (think I've said it for several months that things have changed). So here: Clap clap.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Here i am happy to see Hogan / Carney win, and what should be a complete wake up call to the CPC to ditch Maple MAGA and the toxicity to fight for Canada instead, and here the usuals are smelling their farts in the morning. Never change.

Not sure what the point of posting the past when the political landscape was completely different from today as if nothing happened in the world since those were posted. I don't recall either of you claiming that Trump would completely turn the world around including our politics upside down as it did when you made those posts, just that things could change.

Carney won over folks by being the opposite of Trudeau, while also being the opposite of Poilievre at time when we needed strong calculated actions versus ideology, gaslighting and populist rhetoric. He gave a viable alternative for those who want to fight Trump while providing a real fiscal plan to do so, which Poilievre completely failed to do at his own detriment. I voted Liberal this election due to the changing climate and need for a better leader to take on the current challenges. I have no regrets in my vote, or how I saw things prior when Trudeau-Singh's coalition was deeply unpopular for good reason.

Yes things did happen and change did in fact occur, and I even changed with it (think I've said it for several months that things have changed). So here: Clap clap.

I thought the point would be obvious, and it was the same one I was making at the time. A week is along time in politics. Thinking the status quo when no election has been called and when strong forces are rapidly changing the political landscape and thinking anything is a sure thing is just convincing yourself of something you want to see, not how reality will unfold.

Nobody could have predicted this outcome because it was fairly unpredictable. Re-posting it now is really just an attempt to minimize it next time, because it leads to mostly pointless discussions and at worst, leads people to think the system has been manipulated because it didn't match the reality they convinced themselves of(and that's less you and more Goriders).

The fart sniffing is just a side effect.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

During Carney's speech last night he reiterated his plan on making Canada an energy superpower in both clean and conventional energy. Smith's congratulatory note expressed her desire to work with the federal government. I think there's a possiblity Carney will do to Smith what he did to Pollievre. Listen and act. Which was one of the reasons for Pollievre's downfall. I do believe Trudeau's disdain for the west, Alberta in particular, was real. I also believe that's not the case with Carney. It'll be interesting to see how it unfolds.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

During Carney's speech last night he reinterated his plan on making Canada an energy superpower in both clean and conventional energy. Smith's congratulatory note expressed her desire to work with the federal government. I think there's a possiblity Carney will do to Smith what he did to Pollievre. Listen and act. Which was one of the reasons for Pollievre's downfall. I do believe Trudeau's disdain for the west, Alberta in particular, was real. I also believe that's not the case with Carney. It'll be interesting to see how it unfolds.

He probably will listen and act. But it will never be enough for Smith.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Here i am happy to see Hogan / Carney win, and what should be a complete wake up call to the CPC to ditch Maple MAGA and the toxicity to fight for Canada instead, and here the usuals are smelling their farts in the morning. Never change.

Not sure what the point of posting the past when the political landscape was completely different from today as if nothing happened in the world since those were posted. I don't recall either of you claiming that Trump would completely turn the world around including our politics upside down as it did when you made those posts, just that things could change.

Carney won over folks by being the opposite of Trudeau, while also being the opposite of Poilievre at time when we needed strong calculated actions versus ideology, gaslighting and populist rhetoric. He gave a viable alternative for those who want to fight Trump while providing a real fiscal plan to do so, which Poilievre completely failed to do at his own detriment. I voted Liberal this election due to the changing climate and need for a better leader to take on the current challenges. I have no regrets in my vote, or how I saw things prior when Trudeau-Singh's coalition was deeply unpopular for good reason.

Yes things did happen and change did in fact occur, and I even changed with it (think I've said it for several months that things have changed). So here: Clap clap.

I would think the point is to not make definitive statements when there is still lots of runway.