The Legend of Sam Bennett

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

It's weird, but you would think a team would clue in that if you want to find RWers you should be drafting guys that play RW?

It's even weirder that you think teams should be drafting for positional need. The players they draft are anywhere from two to five years away from playing in the NHL and nobody can tell what any team will need that far out.

It's also weird that you have been following hockey all these years without noticing how many current RWs are left shots.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It's even weirder that you think teams should be drafting for positional need. The players they draft are anywhere from two to five years away from playing in the NHL and nobody can tell what any team will need that far out.

It's also weird that you have been following hockey all these years without noticing how many current RWs are left shots.

Not many RWers at all are left shots. On the pp yes, outside of that, not many.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by dobbles

I don't think it has anything to do with a love affair with Sam Bennett. I have zero connection to him and I see that play and like it. He didn't "hit" the goalie, he just made contact while trying to get the puck. IMO, and it looks like in powders opinion as well, that needs to be a part of the game and not a penalty.

My biggest takeaway from that video is: when did Corey Perry get on the bolts and why does he have such a punchable face???!?!?!

He has always had a punchable face. I assume time hasn’t done him any favours either

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

At the end of the day that may very well be exactly what happens. We’ll see.

Early days but not looking good so far. Would Sam have achieved the same potential here? Who knows, but Treliving’s cavalcade of awful coaching hires probably didn’t help.

A star? Yes I doubt it, but you're right, we'll see.

I don't think Sam would ever amount to a lot more than he already was with the Flames. Just imo, of course. Sometimes both player and team need a fresh start. Trade could be a win/win for both teams, only time will tell.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Sam Bennett was also riding at ridiculous PDO of 112.3 on 62% OZ starts for those 10 games in Florida. I can back this up by watching some of the highlights at the time where certainly a number of his goals/points were nothing more than dumb luck bounces and cashing in on playing with incredible play driving players.

Don't be fooled into thinking Bennett was sniping or hanging onto pucks to create time and space. He's the same player he was here taking dumb penalties and operating a step behind the play, just playing with players that are far superior to anyone in a Flames jersey. It goes to show even more how much a team needs true star power and play driving centers in this league when they can quite literally polish a turd like that.

How much of the PDO was contributed by the goaltending? Shooting percentage would be a better stat to use here.

[Eric Vail]

I think we should have a Doug Gilmour trade thread and an Al MacInnis trade thread and a Gary Suter trade thread and a Gary Roberts trade thread and a Mel Bridgeman trade thread and a Brad Marsh trade thread and a Brett Hull trade thread and probably several others so we can bitch about the Flames to our hearts' content.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Not many RWers at all are left shots. On the pp yes, outside of that, not many.

Besides cases like Kane and Kucherov (both LHS RWs), a look through CapFriendly's rosters indicates that numerous LHS wingers (and some righties) are listed as LW/RW. With about 65% of forwards being left shots and some of the right shots being used at centre, it's a rare team that has four RHS playing wing full-time.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

The two RWs not counted were from this past draft. I didn't count this last draft trying to focus on the last decade. Of those 18 centers drafted they picked 5 that shot right - Ryan Francis, Josh Nodler, D'Artagan Joly, Matthew Phillips, and Bill Arnold - two they didn't even extend a contract to. You're going to have to point on which right handed center the Flames picked ended up playing on the RW for the club, because I don't see one. It's weird, but you would think a team would clue in that if you want to find RWers you should be drafting guys that play RW? Probably why you draft defensemen to play defense more so than drafting centers with the hope they can shift to the blueline. Just pointing out the obvious.

Hunter Smith was from the last draft? Could have fooled me.

WRT centres, no, they didn’t pan out. But the point is they probably thought they had a shot at RW when they drafted them. Just like Reinhart, Lindholm, et al.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Not many RWers at all are left shots. On the pp yes, outside of that, not many.

What? TB’s Stanley Cup roster - count the LHS RWs - Kucherov, Joseph, Volkov. Look at other “good teams” - Rantanen, Nukushkin in Colorado; Bailey, Komarov in NYI; Smith in Vegas; Neideraiter, Svechnikov in Carolina.

I would like more RHS as well. But it’s not the way a lot of kids are developed, so they aren’t as common, especially for skilled guys.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

I think we should have a Doug Gilmour trade thread and an Al MacInnis trade thread and a Gary Suter trade thread and a Gary Roberts trade thread and a Mel Bridgeman trade thread and a Brad Marsh trade thread and a Brett Hull trade thread and probably several others so we can bitch about the Flames to our hearts' content.

I was wondering if we should edit the thread title. Every time you see [TRADE] when you first login it's misleading, the trade is months old. Any ideas for a new thread title? The Ongoing Bennett Debate? The Never Ending Bennett Discussion? Try To Yet Again Change My Mind On How Sam Bennett Was Developed By The Flames?

[AC]

'Bennett Bonanza', duh.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

What? TB’s Stanley Cup roster - count the LHS RWs - Kucherov, Joseph, Volkov. Look at other “good teams” - Rantanen, Nukushkin in Colorado; Bailey, Komarov in NYI; Smith in Vegas; Neideraiter, Svechnikov in Carolina.

I would like more RHS as well. But it’s not the way a lot of kids are developed, so they aren’t as common, especially for skilled guys.

Like I said, not many at all. Maybe 1 in 10 RWers shoot left. Also, Volkov is a tweener and don't even think he's played 1 playoff game for the lightning.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It's even weirder that you think teams should be drafting for positional need. The players they draft are anywhere from two to five years away from playing in the NHL and nobody can tell what any team will need that far out.

It's also weird that you have been following hockey all these years without noticing how many current RWs are left shots.

Yeah that's what I was thinking.

Every team trots out the need to draft the best player available, that never goes challenged unless you want to establish the idea that the Flames (and Flames only!) have somehow created a right shooting blind spot.

Oh and I'll go back 5 drafts before the current GM was in place to start my data!

[transplant99]

According to Capfriendly, out of 855 forwards listed in the NHL, 314 of them shoot right.

61 RW shoot left. Just under 2 per team average.

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/a.../all/desc/left

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Hunter Smith was from the last draft? Could have fooled me.

WRT centres, no, they didn’t pan out. But the point is they probably thought they had a shot at RW when they drafted them. Just like Reinhart, Lindholm, et al.

I skipped right past that draft for some reason. Probably because it was the worst draft the franchise has ever had and I've tried to scrub it from my memory. I mean, what a #### show. Highest pick in Calgary history and they pick Bennett. Two second round picks, and they bury their wedge in the turf picking Mason MacDonald and Hunter Smith. Five picks after the first round and not a single NHL game to show. 2014 was just another example of how bad the Flames are drafting.

And yes, teams should be going after BPA by position from time to time. They routinely do it when it comes to goaltenders. It's a reason why when one goaltender goes you'll see a bunch of teams jump on that bandwagon. I've also seen multiple teams say they picked defensemen because of need, so yes, you can pick for need, especially when your system is completely void of that player type.

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I was wondering if we should edit the thread title. Every time you see [TRADE] when you first login it's misleading, the trade is months old. Any ideas for a new thread title? The Ongoing Bennett Debate? The Never Ending Bennett Discussion? Try To Yet Again Change My Mind On How Sam Bennett Was Developed By The Flames?

Come on, the thread title is obvious. "The Legend of Sam Bennett."

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by transplant99

According to Capfriendly, out of 855 forwards listed in the NHL, 314 of them shoot right.

61 RW shoot left. Just under 2 per team average.

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/a.../all/desc/left

Half those players or more are no name non NHLers.

[CsInMyBlood]

I was just typing The Legend of Sam Bennett and Lanny beat me to the punch.

Very obvious apparently.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Half those players or more are no name non NHLers.

OK....doesnt change the ratio though.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Dearest Sam Bennett, I must leave you. Why, I cannot say. Where, you cannot know. How I will get there, I haven't decided yet. But one thing I can tell you, any time I hear the wind blow it will whisper the name Sam Bennett. And so let us part with a love that will echo through the ages. — Flames fans


Dear Flames Fans, welcome to dumpsville. Population: you. — Sam Bennett

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Dearest Sam Bennett, I must leave you. Why, I cannot say. Where, you cannot know. How I will get there, I haven't decided yet. But one thing I can tell you, any time I hear a fart blow it will whisper the name Sam Bennett. And so let us part with a love that will echo through the ages. — Flames fans


Dear Flames Fans, welcome to dumpsville. Population: you. — Sam Bennett

If you replace "wind" with "fart" this is a top shelf post worthy of the CP hall of fame. I've taken the liberty of marking it up myself.