The Legend of Sam Bennett - Page 127 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

DazzlinDino · 10-07-2021, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Goriders

Sutter was one of the coaches that didn’t use Kylington. Last year.

Probably because the team was trying to make the playoffs. Now he has the opportunity to see what he has so he is playing him a lot. Sutter is an experienced coach he knows what he is doing. Sutter praised Kylington's mobility but likely wants to set him up for success and not failure.

monkeyman · 10-07-2021, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Related.

Pfft, the only reason he scored is because he's playing on a line with Carter Ashton, and Carter Ashton is that good.

DazzlinDino · 10-07-2021, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TOfan

Maybe it comes down to circumstance, timing, and opportunity. It goes both ways. On one hand you have Martin St. Louis, on the other Mikka Kiprusoff.

Just because a player is successful in one spot is no guarantee he will be in another.

I think it is more a case of the Flames not knowing what they really had, or not having the right personnel to get the most out of the player. I do believe the Flames are on the right path with Sutter at the helm.

Cali Panthers Fan · 10-07-2021, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

So you'd rather just negatively run a muck and not be questioned on it? Got it.

Never questioned anyone's character. Never painted his or anyone's outlook on the rest of their lives.

Get over yourself.

Its a hockey team with fans. Why is there a camp negative in the first place? Doesn't sound like a fun place to spend time.

I don't care about any of this pointless debating yet again, but I do care about this.

It's "run amok", by god!

Carry on. The pedant is leaving.

DeluxeMoustache · 10-07-2021, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

So you think the plan was to load up on centers and left wing with an eye to right wing not being important?

Or do you think right shooting hockey players are a premium and tougher to find both up front and on the blueline?

Most (all) teams have holes, but they're not by design.

The Jays were short pitching all season, especially in the bullpen, but that wasn't the plan.

I’m not sure I follow the intent. No, I do not believe the plan was as you crisply articulated

I do however believe the GM believes any or all of
- that centres generally hold higher value than wingers
- that there is value in having depth at C,
- that it’s easier to have a C play wing than to have a wing play C

These are all things that contributed to putting the team in the situation they found themselves

Could he have explored trading out underutilized C depth for a top 6 RW? Did he? I would hope so. Wouldn’t know because nothing happened. Did he solve the RW problem? Not last season

And IMO this false equivalency about all teams having holes doesn’t accomplish much. Yes all teams have holes. Not all teams end up underachieving. Fact is that you can point directly at the Flames’ hole of lack of depth on RW and point out how it hurt the team.

Failure to plan or failure to execute - doesn’t make a big difference at the end of the day. The GM is paid to do both

Good news is that this year, he actually got a RW to play RW. Which is nice.

Johnny Makarov · 10-07-2021, 05:58 PM

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Sam Bennett Pullups -0

Iginla · 10-07-2021, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

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Sam Bennett Pullups -0

Your irrational hate for Bennett is as confusing as some posters irrational love for him.

Johnny Makarov · 10-07-2021, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Iginla

Your irrational hate for Bennett is as confusing as some posters irrational love for him.

hahaha. I don't hate him. I'm just astonished how low of a hockey IQ he possesses. I mean we derped derped Taylor Hall all those years in Edmonton. Bennett is Oiler Taylor Hall without the points.

But it's pretty nauseating how some think he is the 2nd coming of McJesus on here when he has played 15 games for the panthers! 15!!!! LOLOLOL

and lets just all look at McBennett at work. He singlehandedly cost the Panthers Game 1 with those 2 idiotic penalties. The Panthers win game 1, they might have a had a chance.

Sure he helped them win game 5 with that awesome faceoff win but by then the series was over.

Lanny_McDonald · 10-07-2021, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

So you think the plan was to load up on centers and left wing with an eye to right wing not being important?

Well, I think we can look at the drafts from 2010 through 2020 and note of the 69 players picked, only four - Patrick Holland (2010 7th round), Tim Harrison (2013 6th round), Eetu Tuulola (2016 6th round), Zach Fischer (2017 5th round) - were identified as right shooting RWs. Conversely they drafted 18 centers, 15 LWs, 22 D, and 4 goaltenders. We drafted as many goaltenders as we did RWs, which has been the greatest weakness in the organization for over a decade, if not longer.

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Or do you think right shooting hockey players are a premium and tougher to find both up front and on the blueline?

In 2010 there were 35 RWs selected before the Flames took Holland, and that included Brendan Gallagher (5th round), Mark Stone and Jesper Fast (6th round). I could go year-by-year, but it's pretty much the same. Right shooting players are a bit of a unicorn, but the Flames appear to have a definite blind spot in trying to find guys that shoot right for some reason.

DeluxeMoustache · 10-07-2021, 06:26 PM

^ holy smokes.

Maybe it was the plan! Haha

GioforPM · 10-07-2021, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Well, I think we can look at the drafts from 2010 through 2020 and note of the 69 players picked, only four - Patrick Holland (2010 7th round), Tim Harrison (2013 6th round), Eetu Tuulola (2016 6th round), Zach Fischer (2017 5th round) - were identified as right shooting RWs. Conversely they drafted 18 centers, 15 LWs, 22 D, and 4 goaltenders. We drafted as many goaltenders as we did RWs, which has been the greatest weakness in the organization for over a decade, if not longer.

In 2010 there were 35 RWs selected before the Flames took Holland, and that included Brendan Gallagher (5th round), Mark Stone and Jesper Fast (6th round). I could go year-by-year, but it's pretty much the same. Right shooting players are a bit of a unicorn, but the Flames appear to have a definite blind spot in trying to find guys that shoot right for some reason.

Well, 2010 isn’t exactly a good year to evaluate Flames drafting. They didn’t pick for 3 rounds and I suppose, yeah, they missed picking guys like Stone that every other team passed on for 5 rounds. The Flames seemed to go for D that draft. They did pick Bill Arnold, who shoots right, though.

But you can really only look at who that was available and was ranked around the level of a particular pick. Should the Flames have passed on Dube and gone for Raddysh? Bjorkvist?

Jay Random · 10-07-2021, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's mine too which is why I keep using it until the team proves it wrong.

Since you have conveniently refused to provide any standard of proof that you would accept, you can go on slamming the team at every opportunity till the day you die.

We know what your schtick is, and good grief, it's tiresome.

Manhattanboy · 10-07-2021, 07:46 PM

Sam Bennett will haunt this team and its fan base for years.

I wonder if he knows the hold he has on you (myself included).

Knightslayer · 10-07-2021, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, 2010 isn’t exactly a good year to evaluate Flames drafting. They didn’t pick for 3 rounds and I suppose, yeah, they missed picking guys like Stone that every other team passed on for 5 rounds. The Flames seemed to go for D that draft. They did pick Bill Arnold, who shoots right, though.

But you can really only look at who that was available and was ranked around the level of a particular pick. Should the Flames have passed on Dube and gone for Raddysh? Bjorkvist?

Dude, he said between 2010-2020.

GioforPM · 10-07-2021, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Dude, he said between 2010-2020.

Dude, his examples were all from the 2010 draft.

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Also, as we know, a whole bunch of guys drafted as Cs play RW. Francis, Nodler, Phillips, and the aforementioned Arnold. I mean, does anyone think Phillips would play centre if he makes it?

Also Zavgorodny is listed as a LW but he shoots right.

Also he forgot the legend Hunter Smith and Auston Carrol as a RHS/RW draftees.

KootenayFlamesFan · 10-07-2021, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Sam Bennett will haunt this team and its fan base for years.

I wonder if he knows the hold he has on you (myself included).

Not sure how he would haunt us. He wasn't doing much of anything in Calgary, the Flames got a decent return for him all things considered.

He did well in Florida. Good for him, I hope he does well. A player haunting me or the team would be a star player that the team traded away for peanuts. That's not Sam.

Knightslayer · 10-07-2021, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Dude, his examples were all from the 2010 draft.

You know the point of his post wasn't about how well they drafted in 2010. They continue to not draft RWers. Would be like being in a fantasy team with positions and not drafting any RWers. It's a poor overall drafting strategy.

mrdonkey · 10-07-2021, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Not sure how he would haunt us. He wasn't doing much of anything in Calgary, the Flames got a decent return for him all things considered.

He did well in Florida. Good for him, I hope he does well. A player haunting me or the team would be a star player that the team traded away for peanuts. That's not Sam.

At the end of the day that may very well be exactly what happens. We’ll see.

Early days but not looking good so far. Would Sam have achieved the same potential here? Who knows, but Treliving’s cavalcade of awful coaching hires probably didn’t help.

GioforPM · 10-07-2021, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Knightslayer

You know the point of his post wasn't about how well they drafted in 2010. They continue to not draft RWers. Would be like being in a fantasy team with positions and not drafting any RWers. It's a poor overall drafting strategy.

LOL. No one aims at picking RWs. They prioritize centres and D. Also, go have a look - they drafted two more RWs than he listed and a a fair number of RHS centres. Who, like Lindholm, often get moved to RW.

Lanny_McDonald · 10-07-2021, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

LOL. No one aims at picking RWs. They prioritize centres and D. Also, go have a look - they drafted two more RWs than he listed and a a fair number of RHS centres. Who, like Lindholm, often get moved to RW.

The two RWs not counted were from this past draft. I didn't count this last draft trying to focus on the last decade. Of those 18 centers drafted they picked 5 that shot right - Ryan Francis, Josh Nodler, D'Artagan Joly, Matthew Phillips, and Bill Arnold - two they didn't even extend a contract to. You're going to have to point on which right handed center the Flames picked ended up playing on the RW for the club, because I don't see one. It's weird, but you would think a team would clue in that if you want to find RWers you should be drafting guys that play RW? Probably why you draft defensemen to play defense more so than drafting centers with the hope they can shift to the blueline. Just pointing out the obvious.