2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Klingberg makes more sense. Flames are short assets so can’t afford to be trading for players unless it’s a hockey deal.

Sign Klingberg though I’d be ok to make a deal involving Andersson or Hanifin to get a forward

That or just roll with a really good defense group that can produce for you, and use the cleared cap in 2023 from Lucic and Monahan to pursue a big ticket forward or two.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

MacKinnon, Kane, Toews, O'Reilly, Tarasenko, JVR, Pacioretty, Pastrnak, Larkin, Meier, Huberdeau, Horvat, Miller among others

Holy #### imagine throwing a deal at MacKinnon he couldn't refuse and they manage to keep Tkachuk long term.

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense to stand pat this season. Could draft an amazing player and then sign another one in FA.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Klingberg makes more sense. Flames are short assets so can’t afford to be trading for players unless it’s a hockey deal.

Sign Klingberg though I’d be ok to make a deal involving Andersson or Hanifin to get a forward

Apparently hes no good. Im not a advanced stats guy but Dom on the Athletic had this to say about Klingberg.

In Klingberg’s case, his game has fallen off hard in recent seasons with last year’s 0.9-win pace representing a new low. That’s just under top pair territory and explains his low projected GSVA of just 1.2 wins. At that rate, he’s worth just $5.6 million which is well short of the projected $6.9 million he’s expected to net over seven years. Not nice.

The problem with Klingberg is his defense and last year was especially bad in that regard. The Stars allowed 0.35 more expected goals against per 60 with Klingberg on the ice compared to off the ice last season and a lot of those ended up in the back of the net. For three straight seasons, the Stars have performed better with Klingberg on the bench and he’s been outscored every season. His actual expected goals percentage is above 50 percent each year, but only modestly so. Klingberg’s value has tanked every year as a result and he’s a long way removed from his peak. His trajectory is a straight slide down where living up to a near $7 million deal gets tougher and tougher each year. His comparables being a number of past-their-prime sheltered power play quarterbacks is especially worrying. The presence of Keith Yandle as the top comp screams buyer beware.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Think Canucks would have any interest in a deal based around Rasmus Andersson?

He'd be a good place to start, and also, really the only place to start. Age lines up with what the team is looking for. Not sure about his underlying defensive numbers but the offensive ones are pretty clearly there.


Edit - Miller wants a max contract because he knows after this contract he will likely get less money. Max earnings after a career year while you're still young and can demand it.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Apparently hes no good. Im not a advanced stats guy but Dom on the Athletic had this to say about Klingberg.

Thanks. Makes me want the Flames to stay away from that guy. Rather promote from within if we are paying top dollar for Keith Yandle.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

He'd be a good place to start, and also, really the only place to start. Age lines up with what the team is looking for. Not sure about his underlying defensive numbers but the offensive ones are pretty clearly there.

Pls bring back Benning so we can trade you our cap dumps for Miller.

It's also a tickler that Rasmus came from the Sven swap. Thanks for that by the way.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Pls bring back Benning so we can trade you our cap dumps for Miller.

It's also a tickler that Rasmus came from the Sven swap. Thanks for that by the way.

Thanks for Sven. He was incredibly enjoyable until concussions ruined him.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Apparently hes no good. Im not a advanced stats guy but Dom on the Athletic had this to say about Klingberg.

But there seems to be a bit of a disconnect between his goals for and against vs shots scoring chances high danger scoring chances and expected goals for %. His numbers don’t look as bad as the results do

Also, the Stars player boring hockey. Klingberg could excel under Sutter and the checking style game. I could see a Tanev scenario here where the numbers said he’s declining but the numbers were wrong

[FlamesAddiction]

Apparently Gudbranson was no good as well until he joined the Flames. If Klingberg has the tools, I am sure Sutter could coach him.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

That or just roll with a really good defense group that can produce for you, and use the cleared cap in 2023 from Lucic and Monahan to pursue a big ticket forward or two.

Bird in hand is worth more than 2 in the bush.

We don’t know who will be available in 2023. Rare to have top players get to ufa and if you do, you massively overpay, and only if player wants to come here.

Get klingberg if it makes sense now and he wants to come here. Emphasis on the want to be here. Don’t want players that will bolt at first opportunity. Hopefully our Swedish mafia is enough of a pull to make him come here and stay a while.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

That or just roll with a really good defense group that can produce for you, and use the cleared cap in 2023 from Lucic and Monahan to pursue a big ticket forward or two.

I prefer stand pat. Imo if we give the AHL guys a look next year could be a team on the rise. If we sign Tkachuk mangiapane and kylington to long term deals at around $20 mil total. Guys like Pelletier will be on ELC next year as well. If we sign a couple vets cheap I could see around 19 guys signed and $15 mil to play with

Sign Ruzicka 2 years as well
Wolf as back up on ELC too. Play him 30 games see how it goes

Trade Valimaki

Hopefully Zary steps up this year and stays healthy

Only negative is Lindholm and Hanifin up same time only Toffolli cap savings. His contract isn’t enough to pay their raises if you spend that $15 mil

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Bird in hand is worth more than 2 in the bush.

We don’t know who will be available in 2023. Rare to have top players get to ufa and if you do, you massively overpay, and only if player wants to come here.

Get klingberg if it makes sense now and he wants to come here. Emphasis on the want to be here. Don’t want players that will bolt at first opportunity. Hopefully our Swedish mafia is enough of a pull to make him come here and stay a while.

The problem with Klingberg is he is a very good puck moving defenseman but he also just might be the worst d man in his own zone in the NHL. I think that might be a main reason why GM's are hesitant, he helps your PP for sure but he is going to bleed goals if he is in your top 4. I would pass. He would be in the fanbase doghouse and Sutter's too pretty fast imo.

[djsFlames]

What about Valimaki+ for Miller.

How much can Vancouver expect to fetch when he only has a year remaining.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

What about Valimaki+ for Miller.

How much can Vancouver expect to fetch when he only has a year remaining.

They are a division rival and Valimaki's value is at an all time low. I don't think we would like the plus in that deal. I also think selling really low on Valimaki is a mistake, might as well see if he can reach his potential.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

What about Valimaki+ for Miller.

How much can Vancouver expect to fetch when he only has a year remaining.

Pass. It starts with a young RHD or he doesn't move.

You can expect a lot for a 100 point player on a cheap contract, even if it's only for one year.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

But there seems to be a bit of a disconnect between his goals for and against vs shots scoring chances high danger scoring chances and expected goals for %. His numbers don’t look as bad as the results do

Also, the Stars player boring hockey. Klingberg could excel under Sutter and the checking style game. I could see a Tanev scenario here where the numbers said he’s declining but the numbers were wrong

This is the model in a nutshell if you are curious. Maybe, but is it worth over paying to find out? Im not so sure we should take chances on a possible anchor contract.

Game Score is a linear weight model with the weights for each stat within it being derived according to the frequency of goals occurring from them and are as such:

Goals: 0.75
Primary Assists: 0.7
Secondary Assists: 0.55
Shots: 0.075
Blocks: 0.05
Penalty Differential: 0.15
Faceoff Differential: 0.01
5-on-5 Corsi Differential: 0.05
5-on-5 Goal Differential: 0.15

It uses data from each player’s last three seasons, with each component weighted by recency and regressed to the mean individually. That means that the weight for each prior season is different for goals than it is for shots or blocks (and different for forwards and defencemen), as is the regression factor. On top of that, there’s an age adjustment (using methods outlined here) performed at the start of each year that slowly lessens until the end of the season, as well as a small usage adjustment that factors in a player’s teammates and competition based on 5-on-5 Game Score.

From there, each player has a projection for each component going forward and that’s plugged into the Game Score formula to get a projected Game Score going forward. That’s then transformed into a wins above replacement rate (with replacement level being the 372nd forward and 186th defenceman) to create Game Score Value Added, or GSVA.

[NewFan]

Miller may be to expensive. May be we can trade Monahan + for Mark Scheifele? He mentioned that he wants to move on and Winnipeg will get 2nd line C as Monahan. And they have Connor who will be their 1st line C.

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Has there been any more rumblings on Shiefele or Dubois? Before the draft there were rumblings either/both could be on the move, don't recall hearing their names brought up since.

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Originally Posted by NewFan

Miller may be to expensive. May be we can trade Monahan + for Mark Scheifele? He mentioned that he wants to move on and Winnipeg will get 2nd line C as Monahan. And they have Connor who will be their 1st line C.

hah, good timing

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I also think Kadri really wants to go back to Colorado so that might be why. Klingberg is definitely a bit puzzling.

I was looking at Klingberg and he has an impressive resume at the international level.


If he wins a cup, he will have a nice little legacy. Could be waiting for a contender to clear some space too, instead of burning his career on a building team like Seattle