American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by opendoor

I think it was a combination of a lot of things:

-what you said, shifting from a breath of fresh air to more of the same that people are sick of.

-unwillingness or inability to distance herself from an extremely unpopular Biden administration. At first it seemed like a break, but when she couldn't articulate anything she'd do differently, her support dropped.

-novelty wearing off. She's really not a great politician all things considered, so the more people heard from her the less they liked.

The whole "I will have a Republican in my cabinet" was a colossally stupid thing to campaign on. Other than West Wing fanfiction and "enlightened centrist" types, who does that actually appeal to?

I'm not saying she should automatically disqualify someone for being a Republican, but boldly proclaiming that as if it was something monumental was maybe the most obvious sign of how disconnected establishment Dems are from the average voter.

[Locke]

In the immortal words of Jeff Daniels...

You know why people don't like liberals? Because they lose. If liberals are so fatain' smart, how come they lose so GODDAM ALWAYS!

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

People who voted for Trump deserve the #### show hey are going to get.
Unfortunately, there are tens of millions of Americans who are going to take it on the chin much worse, and they don't deserve one bit of it.

Honestly, America might get what it asked for but...this could be a nightmare for Foreign Policy across the Globe, which, I'm not sure if you've noticed ain't exactly doing 'Hot Awesome' at the moment.

And unfortunately we get dragged along for the ride.

Goddammit America...you had 1 job!

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Muta

Any way BC/Washington/Oregon/California/aspiring Albertans can join together to form the new country of Cascadia? Where educated centrists and progressives and stewards of science, reason and logic can go and have a country of their own?

Easy pass. The PNW is a dump. California ain’t bad though.

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by La Flames Fan

I am very curious, not in a conspiratorial way, why +-20 million people didn't vote vs. the last election.

Pandemic

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Trump hitched his wagon to far-right extremists and christian nationalists. You saying reaching further to the wings doesn't work?

Trump had those voters locked in already.

Look where the Democrats lost vote share last night: young non-college men and Latinos. Those are the voters Democrats need to win back. The notion that they should double-down on college-educated urbanites is barmy. The demographic of John Oliver fans just isn’t that big, and they almost all vote Democrat already.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by rubecube

The whole "I will have a Republican in my cabinet" was a colossally stupid thing to campaign on. Other than West Wing fanfiction and "enlightened centrist" types, who does that actually appeal to?

I'm not saying she should automatically disqualify someone for being a Republican, but boldly proclaiming that as if it was something monumental was maybe the most obvious sign of how disconnected establishment Dems are from the average voter.

I think she was mainly overcompensating to try to break from the "radical leftist" label Republicans were putting on her in an effort to win moderates.

But yeah, that's not really going to drive voters; independents don't really care about that kind of stuff and 95% of Republicans are going to vote Republican like they do every other election. And the Cheney stuff was just ridiculous. It's not a surprise that Democratic turnout dropped like it did.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ya, see this is why society is ####ed. Some issues are far more complex than the average person can understand, so they default to simplistic wrong-headed thinking like that. And that's why a convicted felons who organized and armed insurrection against his own government is now President. Big win.

####ing dumb. But believe what you want to believe, that's the world we are in now. Facts are irrelevant.

This is just it...people can do victory laps for getting it right they earned it I guess. Him winning doesn't change any of the facts about him though. He is a racist, sexist, rapist, fellon, who believes in less rights for certain humans. He is a grifter who will do anything and everything to make a buck and make himself look good. Have your I told you so's the real I told you so's are coming over the next four years or even longer. This is going to be an unmitigated disaster. Yes we survived last time, notice how almost zero of his previous admin still supported him?

When you know how stupid the average person is and then realize that half are even dumber it kinda all makes sense I guess.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Trump had those voters locked in already.

Look where the Democrats lost vote share last night: young non-college men and Latinos. Those are the voters Democrats need to win back. The notion that they should double-down on college-educated urbanites is barmy. The demographic of John Oliver fans just isn’t that big, and they already almost all vote Democrat.

I don't know... young non-college white guys want higher wages, more healthcare, UBI, more subsidies, more college scholarships just for them (rubecube could name more). These are progressive policies.

But the Democrats have become a party of the east coast, west coast and cities, leaving the entire middle behind.

If you were from Mars and dropped into the DNC that week, you'd think the United States was 70% non-white, educated and all live in urban centers.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I don't know... young non-college white guys want higher wages, more healthcare, UBI, more subsidies, more college scholarships just for them (rubecube could name more). These are progressive policies.

Is that what they want? Or do they want Gilead? Because the young non-college white guys voting for Trump voted against healthcare, against wealth redistribution, against education. They voted for women being baby incubators who are out of the workforce and back in the kitchen.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Easy pass. The PNW is a dump. California ain’t bad though.

Yes, you can pass on this, I definitely won't lose sleep over it if you do.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The only way the US ever elects a woman president is if both parties nominate them.

I'm not sure I agree with that. I feel that they'd be more likely to elect a woman candidate that excites them than a black candidate that excites them. They elected Obama already. The problem with Harris wasn't that, in my opinion.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Muta

Any way BC/Washington/Oregon/California/aspiring Albertans can join together to form the new country of Cascadia? Where educated centrists and progressives and stewards of science, reason and logic can go and have a country of their own?

I’m in. Let’s do it.

[Jason14h]

It gets a little tiresome to hang out with, and I've lost touch with most of them over the years. It wasn't like this before Trump. I don't know if Trump has made people racist or just made it ok to be racist again, but I'm not buying that there are a lot of Trump supporters who are good people.

Yes Racism in the US (and Canada) started with Trump. Between 1980 and 2016 i never heard a single racist comment

72 million racists in the US (That voted - More that didn't)

And its a question why people don't take the sensationalism seriously out of peoples mouths

[Paulie Walnuts]

The what if with Biden, would he have fared any different. If the exit polls say anything he may have been crushed as well.

[Mr.Coffee]

It is going to be VERY interesting to see what happens at the end of this term. Last time he knew he could get legally re-elected so should be interesting to see what happens this time now that he’ll be “done”.

I wonder if he will move to eliminate term limits.

Hell, I wonder if he’ll still be alive.

[ResAlien]

The dems are going to get about 15 million less votes than they got last time. Trump is slightly underperforming his total vote from 2020 as well. To somehow view this as anything but a catastrophic failure of messaging and voter excitement by the Dems is choosing to be willfully ignorant.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I'm starting to think the Dems would be better aligned with people like AOC and Bernie leading the party, who do not walk that center line. That are left of center, and they know it. They should be embracing that and not sogwhisting to old stock Republicans.

In fact I think people like AOC, Maxwell Alejandro Frost, Illhan Omar, Jamaal Bowman and Jared Moskowitz should be in front of resetting Democrat policy, platform, and messaging, working to entice younger voters back into the camp and reduce apathy for the next election. And their next round of leadership candidates should all be under 50 (but I will allow Bernie to run if he wants, he's a riot and a half).

I like this idea, but maybe with a slight change and have that block separate themselves completely from the Dems and go as a third party. Though I also think that if they do this, it will be a few years before they get signficant enough support, though it will come faster than if they did this say, 10 years ago.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

The dems are going to get about 15 million less votes than they got last time. Trump is slightly underperforming his total vote from 2020 as well. To somehow view this as anything but a catastrophic failure of messaging and voter excitement by the Dems is choosing to be willfully ignorant.

Its the sexists racists fault. They didn't vote Harris. Wait.... They didn't vote. And were Dems.

So the Dems are the racists sexists?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

The dems are going to get about 15 million less votes than they got last time. Trump is slightly underperforming his total vote from 2020 as well. To somehow view this as anything but a catastrophic failure of messaging and voter excitement by the Dems is choosing to be willfully ignorant.

well yeah they didn't get the turnout...Trump had a ceiling as many of us knew

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

How tf do you know so much about everything lol.

You had Harris having a weak campaign even when everyone said she was thriving.

Honestly, I think if you weren't able to see that Harris wasn't the best candidate it meant you were pretty incapable of objective thought.