American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I can't stress this enough. This is happening in Canada as well.

Immigration is a huge issue, because our system cannot handle these people. And they are coming into the country easily by skirting the system. All these people abusing the student visa programs and protesting to stay here. They are not winning any of the immigrants that have been here for a long time over.

Those Hispanic voters probably feel the same way. People skirting the system or coming in illegally and getting the benefits those voters had to work super hard for.

Many of those Hispanic voters are going to be working class people who are directly competing with the illegals for services and work. When the system overflows, they are the first to pay the price.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by opendoor

I don't think people even think that hard about it or think in terms of who will provide solutions. People are negatively reacting to the long-term trajectory of the American economy where wealth is increasingly being concentrated at the top and real wages aren't really growing. And their reaction to that is to just keep trying something different and see saw back and forth, more or less blindly. Unless I'm mistaken, this is the first time since the late 1800s that the Presidency has changed parties 3 elections in a row, and the House is changing hands more often than it has historically.

The Democrats have obviously failed to properly understand the American electorate and what drives them. But I would also be pretty hesitant to ascribe the results to some sort of endorsement of Republicans. Americans are pretty fickle these days, and I suspect we'll see something similar to Biden's term where Trump starts off somewhat popular but then his act wears thin and people want change again.

That's one way to look at it. Another is that especially after Citizens United, the ultra-rich have a strangehold on US politics, and they don't like genuinely united political movements focused on real causes.

[Red Slinger]

Harris didn't run a great campaign and Trump and his cadre were more willing to blatantly lie and cheat to win, but I don't think that's why he's President. Harris didn't lose because of inflation. Trump didn't win because of immigration. I think the long-term post-mortem on this will have nothing to do with Harris' campaign or the economy.
This is all the stories people tell themselves to justify their vote.

Americans, yet again, have shown us who they are. We should believe them. Since they stepped foot on the continent, American society has been conservative, religious, xenophobic and reactionary. Yes, the country has obviously come a long way and there are some legitimately amazing people there but conservativism is still rooted deeply in their collective DNA. As Canadians, I think we make the mistake of assuming Americans are just like us. They're not. If not for the existential threat of Nazism and then Stalinism, the USA would have likely veered much more towards authoritarianism than they have for the last 80 years.

We shouldn't be surprised when the elect a xenophobic, FYGM, protectionist, culture-warrior , wannabe dictator ######bag. It's a big part of who they are.

[activeStick]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1854181904020369778

[Ozy_Flame]

Yeah! Trump elitism is much better!

[EldrickOnIce]

Kenny Powers

Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is, I'm not. I honestly just feel that America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Kenny Powers

The correct answer is Norway of course.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Democrats just need to fully embrace the idiocracy that the US has become, run Dwayne Johnson at the top of the ticket for 2028 with the promise of free weed and lowering the drinking age to 18. Instantly wins back all of the young male morons who went to Trump

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

Harris didn't run a great campaign and Trump and his cadre were more willing to blatantly lie and cheat to win, but I don't think that's why he's President. Harris didn't lose because of inflation. Trump didn't win because of immigration. I think the long-term post-mortem on this will have nothing to do with Harris' campaign or the economy.
This is all the stories people tell themselves to justify their vote.

Americans, yet again, have shown us who they are. We should believe them. Since they stepped foot on the continent, American society has been conservative, religious, xenophobic and reactionary. Yes, the country has obviously come a long way and there are some legitimately amazing people there but conservativism is still rooted deeply in their collective DNA. As Canadians, I think we make the mistake of assuming Americans are just like us. They're not. If not for the existential threat of Nazism and then Stalinism, the USA would have likely veered much more towards authoritarianism than they have for the last 80 years.

We shouldn't be surprised when the elect a xenophobic, FYGM, protectionist, culture-warrior , wannabe dictator ######bag. It's a big part of who they are.

I think that liberal movements worldwide are suffering from the same major issues, the biggest being:

1. Poor candidate choice. Stop choosing party insiders and making nepotic appointments.

2. A failure to recognize what's actually bothering a large portion of their electorate.

A lot of the issues in the USA are summed up in the lyrics of this song:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_M...th_of_Richmond

The lyrics:

I've been sellin' my soul, workin' all day
Overtime hours for bull#### pay
So I can sit out here and waste my life away
Drag back home and drown my troubles away
It's a damn shame what the world's gotten to
For people like me and people like you
Wish I could just wake up and it not be true
But it is, oh, it is
Livin' in the new world
With an old soul
These rich men north of Richmond
Lord knows they all just wanna have total control
Wanna know what you think, wanna know what you do
And they don't think you know, but I know that you do
'Cause your dollar ain't #### and it's taxed to no end
'Cause of rich men north of Richmond
I wish politicians would look out for miners
And not just minors on an island somewhere
Lord, we got folks in the street, ain't got nothin' to eat
And the obese milkin' welfare
God, if you're 5 foot 3 and you're 300 pounds
Taxes ought not to pay for your bags of fudge rounds
Young men are puttin' themselves six feet in the ground
'Cause all this damn country does is keep on kickin' them down
Lord, it's a damn shame what the world's gotten to
For people like me and people like you
Wish I could just wake up and it not be true
But it is, oh, it is
Livin' in the new world
With an old soul
These rich men north of Richmond
Lord knows they all just wanna have total control
Wanna know what you think, wanna know what you do
And they don't think you know, but I know that you do
'Cause your dollar ain't #### and it's taxed to no end
'Cause of rich men north of Richmond
I've been sellin' my soul, workin' all day
Overtime hours for bull#### pay

Some pretty obvious themes there. Generally, the thought is that they are paying into a society that they are not getting anything back and a government that is becoming increasingly less concerned with the working class yet more controlling too.

People can continue to tell people with this sentiment that they're wrong, but that isn't going to get them to vote democrat. These election results show a total failure by the party that is supposed to support working class Americans to actually address what's bothering working class Americans.

[OldDutch]

- Joe bust out the gates as a left leaning enviro president.
- He dithered on the border
- He botched Afghanistan
- He proceed to become a corpse
- Dems hid that until it was obvious
- Kamala jumped in, but then refused to distance herself fully (admirable but dumb)
- Population as a whole thinks country is on wrong track, and Kamala says she wouldn’t change a thing.
- Even Dems not only boycott but vote for Trump. Just wow.

Just a total complete failure. This was winnable but death of a thousand cuts.

[Fuzz]

The only way the US ever elects a woman president is if both parties nominate them.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The only way the US ever elects a woman president is if both parties nominate them.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

- Joe bust out the gates as a left leaning enviro president.
- He dithered on the border
- He botched Afghanistan
- He proceed to become a corpse
- Dems hid that until it was obvious
- Kamala jumped in, but then refused to distance herself fully (admirable but dumb)
- Population as a whole thinks country is on wrong track, and Kamala says she wouldn’t change a thing.
- Even Dems not only boycott but vote for Trump. Just wow.

Just a total complete failure. This was winnable but death of a thousand cuts.

He botched Afghanistan because Trump started an insane process and didn't leave much choice. This is the kind of "point" that sounds like a win until you realize the reality. And that the guy who actually ####ed it up is back in power. And remember, it was Republicans that started that entire misguided adventure, too.


But sure, blame a Democrat.

[Muta]

Only 1,460 days left until the US gets a chance to boot the bloated maggot and his far reich loser party again.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by activeStick

https://twitter.com/user/status/1854181904020369778

This is such a stupid tweet and another example of Democrats/Progressives eating their own. In race where a billionaire, supported by more billionaires, openly telling anyone who would listen that they are going to change the system to benefit themselves - the elites - it is the party filled with people who look more like those represented that are the elites? Cenk has always been a dink and remains a dink.

[ResAlien]

And that folks is why centre right liberals will continue to lose elections time and time again. Walking talking Skinner “am I out of touch? No it’s the children who are wrong” memes

[Josh]

Only post I'm going to make in anymore politics threads. Then I'm on an indefinite news/politics break.

Yesterday hurt, it hurt mostly because I have a wife and children who I dearly care about. It was far from the result we wanted, but its what we got.

I sincerely hope he does a good job, if he doesn't it hurts us all.

Best of luck to all.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

He botched Afghanistan because Trump started an insane process and didn't leave much choice. This is the kind of "point" that sounds like a win until you realize the reality. And that the guy who actually ####ed it up is back in power. And remember, it was Republicans that started that entire misguided adventure, too.


But sure, blame a Democrat.

Joe was in charge. End of story.

It isn’t a court of law. Politics don’t work that way, hence here we are

[PepsiFree]

I think it’s a great strategy, personally. Deflecting any and all criticism by saying “Yeah but Trump is that and worse!” is how the Democrats were so wildly successful in this election so it clearly makes sense to acknowledge nothing, change nothing, blame progressives, and trot into 2028 with a sure win in hand!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Also, the issue is that Democrats are not attacking Trump himself, they are attacking (you) Trump voters, that you are evil. That's a huge problem they need to rectify. Are they going to call Vance Hitler next?

Republicans don't say this about Democrat voters, they just concede that you have different values, maybe also misinformed, maybe also gullible (fake news) but that's the extent of it.

Lol