American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Joe was in charge. End of story.

It isn’t a court of law. Politics don’t work that way, hence here we are

Ya, see this is why society is ####ed. Some issues are far more complex than the average person can understand, so they default to simplistic wrong-headed thinking like that. And that's why a convicted felons who organized and armed insurrection against his own government is now President. Big win.

####ing dumb. But believe what you want to believe, that's the world we are in now. Facts are irrelevant.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Sliver

OMG if I hear somebody pine for Bernie one more fkn time I swear to god...

That guy is ancient. He had a fricken heart attack during the 2020 campaign. I get some people like riding his dick, but he wouldn't win a general election. The right would easily paint him as a commie socialist old man and he'd lose. BTW, they don't care if their guy is old; but if the Dems run an old guy forget it.

They paint Biden as a commie socialist old man so why not run a real one.

Like how McCain and Romney were painted as sexist, racist warmonger so the GOP decided to run a real one.

[WCW Nitro]

The question is why did Kamala drop in the polls over the past two months or so. And I trace it back to her bragging about getting endorsed by Cheney and then abandoning the attack line of Trump is weird to Trump is dangerous. She went from a refreshing candidate to just another typical politician with scripted answers

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Azure

Again, go look at the numbers across dozens of demographics. Trump won in every possible way you could think. There is no way you can attribute that to 'omg they lied and cheated and indoctrinated everyone on their way to victory.'.

The graphic that CNN kept coming back to that showed where Trump was outperforming the 2020 result by over 3% was absolutely shocking. A lot of it was in so-called Democratic strongholds. Kamala's map was essentially blank.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Yes, that is exactly what the Democrats need is to hitch their wagon to AOC and her squad in order to fix their issues and win elections.

Trump hitched his wagon to far-right extremists and christian nationalists. You saying reaching further to the wings doesn't work?

[Paulie Walnuts]

28 is probably going to be Newsome or Shapiro if they have an election.

Can't see them running a female for a while.

They really need to listen to what the people are saying and feed into it and fix the ground game and get into the guts and campaign.

[Party Elephant]

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Kamala supporters rage quitting/going recluse today is kind of sad.

I know the result is disheartening but it will still be important for people to provide push back and make their voices heard.

The TV is going to be annoying but I don't think it's going to be as bad as the Dems riled people up to think in the final weeks. They had him in office before and even though damage was done everybody pulled through. Time will tell though.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Azure

Of course, to you it doesn't track because you can't possibly believe that people across multiple different demographics would possibly think that the Democrats aren't actually helping them with the everyday things they struggle with.

Given the results, I think its quite clear what the average voter thinks, and its also quite clear that most people on here and in the media are quite literally delusional when it comes to what the average American voter thinks.

Hint. They don't believe Trump is Hilter and that he holds Nazi rallies.

There is a lot of talk about good Trump supporters and they're not all racist.

Everyone that I have known usually starts out not saying anything too racist when I first get to know them. Then little subtle things about not getting ahead in their job because they are a white male, or comments about a black family that moved in, talking about boycotting Target for their bathroom policy. And get a few of them in a room together and it really starts to come out. None of these people would consider themselves racist.

It gets a little tiresome to hang out with, and I've lost touch with most of them over the years. It wasn't like this before Trump. I don't know if Trump has made people racist or just made it ok to be racist again, but I'm not buying that there are a lot of Trump supporters who are good people.

[Muta]

Any way BC/Washington/Oregon/California/aspiring Albertans can join together to form the new country of Cascadia? Where educated centrists and progressives and stewards of science, reason and logic can go and have a country of their own?

[WCW Nitro]

This is a minor issue, but I think they need to stop bringing in so many celeberties and the Obamas to the rallies, it just makes the candidate seem like they need help to be propped up by rich people and often the Obamas are much better conmunicators who overshadow the actual candidate.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by opendoor

I think maybe Biden just needs to rest up for a few years and gear up for a 2028 run.

He just needs to hook himself up with a Hawking voice generator (with a sophisticated AI skin), then he won't have to waste any breath on fools.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Muta

Any way BC/Washington/Oregon/California/aspiring Albertans can join together to form the new country of Cascadia? Where educated centrists and progressives and stewards of science, reason and logic can go and have a country of their own?

Albertans want to join the usa.

Monkey Paw Curls.

[dino7c]

The worlds richest man bought twitter and used it to manipulate the election

in hindsight that is pretty tough to compete with...Trump did slightly better with other groups than Biden but was still carried by uneducated whites

[dino7c]

Also, for the popular vote...if it actually counted for something turnout in California and NY would be MUCH higher so grain of salt on that one.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Albertans want to join the usa.

Monkey Paw Curls.

Definitely not this one... at least not right now.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

The question is why did Kamala drop in the polls over the past two months or so. And I trace it back to her bragging about getting endorsed by Cheney and then abandoning the attack line of Trump is weird to Trump is dangerous. She went from a refreshing candidate to just another typical politician with scripted answers

I think it was a combination of a lot of things:

-what you said, shifting from a breath of fresh air to more of the same that people are sick of.

-unwillingness or inability to distance herself from an extremely unpopular Biden administration. At first it seemed like a break, but when she couldn't articulate anything she'd do differently, her support dropped.

-novelty wearing off. She's really not a great politician all things considered, so the more people heard from her the less they liked.


And ultimately, her polling didn't drop all that much. Most polling aggregates only had her about 2 points up at her peak and going into the election they were even. So if ends up 2 points down in the end, that's really not a huge swing or polling miss. She was never all that popular in the polls relative to prior Democratic candidates.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Muta

Any way BC/Washington/Oregon/California/aspiring Albertans can join together to form the new country of Cascadia? Where educated centrists and progressives and stewards of science, reason and logic can go and have a country of their own?

Need to banish Danielle and the convoy idiots to Winnipeg then we can make our kingdom.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

There is a lot of talk about good Trump supporters and they're not all racist.

Everyone that I have known usually starts out not saying anything too racist when I first get to know them. Then little subtle things about not getting ahead in their job because they are a white male, or comments about a black family that moved in, talking about boycotting Target for their bathroom policy. And get a few of them in a room together and it really starts to come out. None of these people would consider themselves racist.

It gets a little tiresome to hang out with, and I've lost touch with most of them over the years. It wasn't like this before Trump. I don't know if Trump has made people racist or just made it ok to be racist again, but I'm not buying that there are a lot of Trump supporters who are good people.

I don't know if it's suddenly ok to be racist or if the definition of what it is to be a racist shifted. As in, more actions qualify as racist. Complaining about not getting ahead because you're a white male isn't racist if it's a concrete example. There has been an overcorrection in some workplaces.

And in the past you really had to have intent to act out to be racist. But now, if you don't wear an orange t-shirt, you're insensitive and racist? If you don't support forced LGBT workplace symbolism you're a homophobe?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by opendoor

I think it was a combination of a lot of things:

-what you said, shifting from a breath of fresh air to more of the same that people are sick of.

-unwillingness or inability to distance herself from an extremely unpopular Biden administration. At first it seemed like a break, but when she couldn't articulate anything she'd do differently, her support dropped.

-novelty wearing off. She's really not a great politician all things considered, so the more people heard from her the less they liked.


And ultimately, her polling didn't drop all that much. Most polling aggregates only had her about 2 points up at her peak and going into the election they were even. So if ends up 2 points down in the end, that's really not a huge swing or polling miss. She was never all that popular in the polls relative to prior Democratic candidates.

How tf do you know so much about everything lol.

You had Harris having a weak campaign even when everyone said she was thriving.