2 Calgary brothers charged with sex attack on teen

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Judges in Canada have the discretion to order that multiple custodial sentences be served either concurrently or consecutively.

How often does this happen.

I would assume that only heinous or high profile cases would be targeted, but that being said, I can't recall hearing of this being done (I will admit I don't follow this type of news exceptionally close).

[CaptainCrunch]

I like the idea in the English Courts that they (and I think they don't do it anymore) but sentence you to the Queens pleasure, which is an indefinite sentence. you'll get out but you'll be old and you won't be a threat.

These two are a threat to re-offend by the sounds of it, tag them with dangerous offenders tags and don't let them out until they are no possible threat.

[Wedge]

I noticed that currently the "top story" on cbc's news page was surrounding the killing of a George Many Shots roughly a decade ago in Lethbridge. There is a picture of him with three children, and two of which appear to be male. Also, I noticed that Corey and Cody both have the middle name of George. Are these parties related? I was assuming they were until dad was shown coming from the courts. Thanks for any clarification.

[Canehdianman]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

I really dont like the extra credit for time served.

You should go spend a night in remand and see if it it changes your mind.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by Canehdianman

You should go spend a night in remand and see if it it changes your mind.

Straight credit for time served in custody would be fine. But adding extra credit because serving time in custody is hard seems a bit much.

[taco.vidal]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...gary-1.3867665

Sentencing hearing for Manyshots brothers postponed to Dec. 8
Delay comes after requests for mental competency testing
The Canadian Press Posted: Nov 25, 2016 1:04 PM MT Last Updated: Nov 25, 2016 1:54 PM MT

Lawyers for two brothers who randomly kidnapped and sexually assaulted a teenaged girl two years ago say their clients should undergo tests to determine how responsible they were for their actions.

The sentencing hearing for Corey Manyshots, 25, and his brother Cody, 21, was scheduled to continue Friday but has been postponed until Dec. 8.

Defence counsel are trying to find funding for specialized testing to determine if the siblings have fetal alcohol spectrum disorder. Lawyer Alain Hepner says he is hoping legal aid will pay $11,000 for the tests and, if not, he will apply to the court for special funding.

So if theyre not responsible, then we shouldt punish them and release them back into society? Liberal justice. These guys will re-offend when they are let out on the streets.

[OldDutch]

Anyone knows what would happen if the are found to have FAS and it made them not responsible? Would they go to a mental health facility? Can it be treated like other mental illness?

There is no way even in Canada they can let animals like this out Scott free, right? Not after what they did. That poor victim, I hope they nail these two in the end but in Canada I doubt it.

[GGG]

I would hope they receive the same treatment as Vincent Li. Receive
Treatment in a secure facility until experts agree they are not a risk to reoffend. It might be longer than a typical prison sentence

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by GGG

I would hope they receive the same treatment as Vincent Li. Receive
Treatment in a secure facility until experts agree they are not a risk to reoffend. It might be longer than a typical prison sentence

Vincent Li had one psychotic episode. These two have a string of crimes a mile wide and this one in particular was particularly revolting and terrifying.

I think public safety is king in this case, and part of me thinks that the only way they get out is if they're 90 years old and in wheelchairs.

[Mr.Coffee]

it costs $11k to determine if somebody has FAS?

Or is that 5,500 each? Either way, seems excessive albeit I have no idea about what specialized tests they do I guess.

[OMG!WTF!]

Not sure exactly but the analogy I've heard with FASD is that for most serious crimes it is hard to prove the defendant had no idea what they were doing was illegal. Like it is reasonable to assume someone with a low IQ and tendencies toward impulsive behavior might understand that throwing a rock through a window might damage the window and that is a bad thing. But it might not be so reasonable to assume they would know that the rock could harm or kill someone inside the house.

In this case I can't image FASD would prevent someone from understanding it's harmful to do wat they did. In Li's case he had no way of knowing reality. I don't think the same disconnect exists here, especially because there is no issue of consent.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Vincent Li had one psychotic episode. These two have a string of crimes a mile wide and this one in particular was particularly revolting and terrifying.

I think public safety is king in this case, and part of me thinks that the only way they get out is if they're 90 years old and in wheelchairs.

I think that is actually GGG's point. There really isn't a way to treat FAS, so they would end up locked up there for all of eternity.

Treating adult FAS would roughly be akin to treating someone with Downs syndrome.

[sixpacked]

Originally Posted by Canehdianman

You should go spend a night in remand and see if it it changes your mind.

Simple, don't do anything that can cause you to stay in jail until a trial!!!! Extra credit for time in remand is BS.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Canehdianman

You should go spend a night in remand and see if it it changes your mind.

Extra credit, dead time as it's known, just encourages cons to plead not guilty in order to effectively reduce their sentence, and by definition if you are getting time and a half you are guilty.

Clearly time in remand should count towards your eventual disposition but on a one to one basis only, if only to clear out the cases where the lawyer and client are stretching out things on purpose to cut down the sentance, in the UK judges will cut you a break on sentancing if you plead guilty and don't waste the courts time.

[Canehdianman]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Extra credit, dead time as it's known, just encourages cons to plead not guilty in order to effectively reduce their sentence, and by definition if you are getting time and a half you are guilty.

Clearly time in remand should count towards your eventual disposition but on a one to one basis only, if only to clear out the cases where the lawyer and client are stretching out things on purpose to cut down the sentance, in the UK judges will cut you a break on sentancing if you plead guilty and don't waste the courts time.

That happens here too (pleading guilty is taken into account).

I'd rather spend a week in jail than a night in remand. It's that bad.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Canehdianman

That happens here too (pleading guilty is taken into account).

I'd rather spend a week in jail than a night in remand. It's that bad.

No one likes remand that I've worked with but theyd all take 6 months on remand and 6 months in provincial over 18 months in provincial, and of course the lawyers make out like bandits with all the extra court time.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

it costs $11k to determine if somebody has FAS?

Or is that 5,500 each? Either way, seems excessive albeit I have no idea about what specialized tests they do I guess.

MRI plus lengthy questionnaire of family. The MRI is probably the expensive part.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Canehdianman

That happens here too (pleading guilty is taken into account).

I'd rather spend a week in jail than a night in remand. It's that bad.

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

No one likes remand that I've worked with but theyd all take 6 months on remand and 6 months in provincial over 18 months in provincial, and of course the lawyers make out like bandits with all the extra court time.

What's the difference? I know the conceptual difference, but it sounds like the conditions are somehow much worse in remand. Just wondering how and why it's so different. Sorry for any derail.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by 4X4

What's the difference? I know the conceptual difference, but it sounds like the conditions are somehow much worse in remand. Just wondering how and why it's so different. Sorry for any derail.

Remand generally has no program time, the prisoners are all in for varying time spans, most only a couple of weeks or months but a few for a year or more therefore there's no way to provide education or skills programs, remand centres tend to be over crowded and so the prisoners get moved around a lot, to some degree it's just a state of mind, you're hopeful you'll get off but you probably won't so there's no certainty in life, it's a parking lot for a bunch of guys who are all stressed out, not sure what's going to happen to them.

[Otto-matic]

http://www.calgarysun.com/2016/12/08...ault-nightmare

It will be another six months before sentencing arguments resume for two brothers who randomly kidnapped a girl and repeatedly sexually assaulted her.

Corey Manyshots, 25, and his 21-year-old brother Cody pleaded guilty in October 2015 to kidnapping, uttering threats, sexual assault and robbery.

The pair approached the girl at a northeast Calgary bus stop, forced her into an alley and sexually assaulted her two years ago.

Brutal just brutal.