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Old 05-01-2011, 09:00 PM   #221
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I don't think the next President will be able to cover the debt load. What happens then will be painful one way or another.
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Old 05-02-2011, 12:08 AM   #222
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The birther issue to me is not much different than the Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinski episode.

The people who didn't want Clinton in there tried to use that to get him out of office, and people jumped on the bandwagon.

Talking about which party spends more is totally irrelevant. Both parties spend like mad. The people are just frustrated....

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President Obama Roasts Donald Trump At White House Correspondents' Dinner.

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Old 05-03-2011, 10:58 PM   #224
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Calgaryborn, all I see from you is someone who has twisted their own reality, to allow them to believe that their extreme dislike for a black, Democratic president has non-racial or bipartisan (bot, really) roots.

It's akin to saying "I like black people, but all of them steal. Show me a black guy who's not stealing."

Here's an educated black man, he's got a nice house.

"prove to me he's never stolen"

he has no legal criminal record

"that just means he wasn't caught, lots of people steal and don't get caught"

You're taking the same racist feelings and contorting them in the same way as the above to put different spin on your racism. That doesn't mean it's not racist.
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Old 05-04-2011, 08:18 AM   #225
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No they won't survive in the sense that that America will no longer be the America we all know. Poverty changes folks. Also American influence will be diminished to the point where a power struggle with China will emerge.

That could easily lead to a world wide conflict. Poverty doesn't cause war but, it does put a people in a mind set where their willing to pay the price and take the risk.

America has been a great super power. I'm afraid who ever replaces them won't be so benevolent. Also, any change in the world order always costs blood.
There are little reasons to believe that, because of the decline of the USA, the rise of another hyper-power is inevitable.
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Old 05-04-2011, 05:07 PM   #226
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The problem with that is that it only balances the budget in '10' years. Which means the US will probably hit a $20 trillion dollar debt by that time. Or even, a $15 trillion dollar debt.

And if you think the debt load is bad now for the economy, $15 trillion or $20 trillion will be much worse.

I like Slate most of the time, but that was one of the stupidest articles I've ever read.

The US Government has out of control spending. Military, Social Security, Health Care, food stamps, you name it.....the spending is too much, and it needs to be cut.

Obama wants $500 billion in cuts at the Pentagon over the next 10 years, and if I'm not mistaken, he actually asked for $500 billion more again, but carried out in such a way that they can actually figure out what they can cut. So thats $1 trillion over 10 years. $100 billion/year. Not exactly a big deal. What is it less than 20% of the budget? I'm sure they can manage it.

I hope he gets it. But defense spending isn't the only thing that needs to be cut. There are a lot of other programs that simply have to go.

Reform the system, and start cutting a minimum of $200 billion out of the budget, per year, for the next 10 years. Aim for a $2 trillion dollar reduction in spending over the next 10 years, and a $4 trillion over the next 25. Its not rocket science. And as always, the answer is probably inbetween the cut so little it won't help plan, and cut so much it'll do more damage than good, plan.

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Old 05-04-2011, 05:08 PM   #227
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There are little reasons to believe that, because of the decline of the USA, the rise of another hyper-power is inevitable.
Canada.

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Calgaryborn, all I see from you is someone who has twisted their own reality, to allow them to believe that their extreme dislike for a black, Democratic president has non-racial or bipartisan (bot, really) roots.

It's akin to saying "I like black people, but all of them steal. Show me a black guy who's not stealing."

Here's an educated black man, he's got a nice house.

"prove to me he's never stolen"

he has no legal criminal record

"that just means he wasn't caught, lots of people steal and don't get caught"

You're taking the same racist feelings and contorting them in the same way as the above to put different spin on your racism. That doesn't mean it's not racist.
Nope your wrong. Your the one putting words in others mouths.

Simply put, a good third of the country heard various questions regarding the citizenship of President Obama and thought they had some merit. The President's friends immediately calling anyone who entertained a question a racist or an idiot or both didn't help anything and probably added to the doubts. Obama not addressing the doubts like McCain did by asking the Senate to make a resolution concerning his status compounded things.
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Old 05-04-2011, 05:37 PM   #229
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There are little reasons to believe that, because of the decline of the USA, the rise of another hyper-power is inevitable.
It is the only reasonable thing to believe. It is what has always occured historically. It is also basic to nature.
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Old 05-04-2011, 07:46 PM   #230
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Obama deserves the distrust he recieves. He is the worst President America has ever seen. They will be lucky to survive him.
You've always represented the RW position, and taken a stand on your religious views, but that statement just jumped you into full blown nutjob territory dude.

I mean seriously. You think the US is going anywhere? That's crazy talk, even assuming you had a compelling argument he was worse than Bush/Carter/Nixon etc.

Like "get help", or at least "dial back your politics a little" crazy.
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I don't think the next President will be able to cover the debt load. What happens then will be painful one way or another.
Lol. Agree with the statement, but disagree with the sentiment and the underlying and following arguments that you have made from it.

That's just as much Bushs fault as Obamas. I was talking about that even before Obama was elected. That the next president was just going to inherit too much debt and too many problems to fix.

I like what Mikey said. Neither party can really claim the high road on this one. Both have spent like mad and both take some blame.

It may just be the American culture more than anything. And the whole country is guilty of it. Make money at all costs, live as big as possible, damn the future, damn the next guy, damn your neighbour.
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Lol. Agree with the statement, but disagree with the sentiment and the underlying and following arguments that you have made from it.

That's just as much Bushs fault as Obamas. I was talking about that even before Obama was elected. That the next president was just going to inherit too much debt and too many problems to fix.

I like what Mikey said. Neither party can really claim the high road on this one. Both have spent like mad and both take some blame.

It may just be the American culture more than anything. And the whole country is guilty of it. Make money at all costs, live as big as possible, damn the future, damn the next guy, damn your neighbour.
You don't believe Obama has raised the bar concerning reckless spending?
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You don't believe Obama has raised the bar concerning reckless spending?
Nope. The bar was already insanely high. It just gets spent in different ways.
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See, what you guys are doing is the exact problem with the system. Arguing over whose fault it is.

Not to point fingers or anything.

It doesn't really matter whose fault it was. What matters is how you fix it.
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Old 05-04-2011, 08:48 PM   #235
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You don't believe Obama has raised the bar concerning reckless spending?
One of 2 major wars started post-2001 seems kinda like reckless spending to me.
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One of 2 major wars started post-2001 seems kinda like reckless spending to me.
I don't want to get into breaking it down, but the spending on the actual wars is small compared to the overall US Government budget. I broke it down a few months ago and it was something like 1/50 of the budget. Break it down over 10 years and its even less. Just speculating here.

The problem is runaway spending. Obama very much inherited a BIG problem, and I don't think he has do enough to try and solve it.

You can start with how he handled the financial system reform.

In some ways he has made it worse perhaps.

Sucks, because I think he is really growing as a leader, and as he experiences the rigors of the job I think he is really starting to excel at it. And I say that as someone who disagrees with a lot of his policies.

But goddamn I love the way he handles scumbag terrorists and pirates.
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Does anyone find it mighty ironic that a guy with the username calgaryborn has a problem with a president's birthright?

If you were born in calgary, what right do you have to criticize the president's birthright?
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Old 05-04-2011, 09:04 PM   #238
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Simply put, a good third of the country heard various questions regarding the citizenship of President Obama and thought they had some merit.
A sizable percentage of Americans study fairy tales every Sunday too.

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The President's friends immediately calling anyone who entertained a question a racist or an idiot or both didn't help anything and probably added to the doubts.
Racists (well, a lot of 'em apparently) don't like being called racists. Nothing new there.

Point blank... I'm not sure anyone has asked you this:

Do you think President Obama is an American citizen born in Hawaii?

No more obfuscation about his dad or faith or schooling or whatnot.
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A sizable percentage of Americans study fairy tales every Sunday too.

Racists (well, a lot of 'em apparently) don't like being called racists. Nothing new there.

Point blank... I'm not sure anyone has asked you this:

Do you think President Obama is an American citizen born in Hawaii?

No more obfuscation about his dad or faith or schooling or whatnot.
I thought he was born in Hawaii even before he showed the world the long form. But, I also thought Obama or his handlers should have tried a little harder to answer the questions a few had put in the mind of many. Sure there would always be a segment of the population who would never believe but, that would be a small number. My guess is just by producing the long form many who doubted him before don't now.

I also really have a problem with Obama never getting out of the campaign mind set of "us and them". He should never have let his handlers paint every American who questioned him as a racist or stupid. A leader would have bent over backwards to reassure these Americans of his origins and intent.
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I thought he was born in Hawaii even before he showed the world the long form.
Thank you for clarifying that. I was wondering because you've habitually trotted out "other" peoples' arguments in this.

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They did from day one. People need to pay more attention.

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I also really have a problem with Obama never getting out of the campaign mind set of "us and them".
Sadly, this is Standard Operating Procedure in American politics, and polarization has come to Canada too.
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