Two points on the subject of McCain and his birth in Panama,
First US overseas bases are not, legally, the same as US soil or US embassies, they are part of the territory of the country they are in and that countries laws apply, if a US soldier kills someone in a US base in the UK the British Police are brought in and investigate, there are curtousy agreements where some crimes and situations are dealt with by the US authorities, but this intirely at the discretion of the country involved, not the US.
The issue of McCains natural born status is still unclear, it is actually quite possible that he isn't a 'natural born citizan' but being white no one has really wanted to make a big deal about it.
Not trusting Obama or anyone in government isn't racist or stupid.
The Tea party formed when Bush first started the bailouts and grew in strength as Obama began spending like no one before him. About the only thing they all believe in is a limited Federal government with the limited taxes that should go with it. If you look at various Tea party canadates that were elected this last term they have only one think in common: the desire to cut spending.
Obama deserves the distrust he recieves. He is the worst President America has ever seen. They will be lucky to survive him.
Two points on the subject of McCain and his birth in Panama,
First US overseas bases are not, legally, the same as US soil or US embassies, they are part of the territory of the country they are in and that countries laws apply, if a US soldier kills someone in a US base in the UK the British Police are brought in and investigate, there are curtousy agreements where some crimes and situations are dealt with by the US authorities, but this intirely at the discretion of the country involved, not the US.
The issue of McCains natural born status is still unclear, it is actually quite possible that he isn't a 'natural born citizan' but being white no one has really wanted to make a big deal about it.
The fact that McCain's natural born status was questioned suggests that it isn't universally accepted that a child born on foreign soil can be called natural born. Also, a resolution in the Senate is a big deal. I don't believe the Senate ever discussed Obama's status. Apparently that would have been racist.
Not trusting Obama or anyone in government isn't racist or stupid.
The Tea party formed when Bush first started the bailouts and grew in strength as Obama began spending like no one before him. About the only thing they all believe in is a limited Federal government with the limited taxes that should go with it. If you look at various Tea party canadates that were elected this last term they have only one think in common: the desire to cut spending.
Obama deserves the distrust he recieves. He is the worst President America has ever seen. They will be lucky to survive him.
Maybe they should make him pass a literacy test.
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Obama deserves the distrust he recieves. He is the worst President America has ever seen.
So, because you dislike his policies as President (as an aside, thinking he is "the worst President America has ever seen" is, IMO, completely inane, even coming from a bible thumping Republican like yourself), your natural next step is to start questioning if he is actually an American citizen? Explain how that makes even a shred of sense..?
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Not trusting Obama or anyone in government isn't racist or stupid.
The Tea party formed when Bush first started the bailouts and grew in strength as Obama began spending like no one before him. About the only thing they all believe in is a limited Federal government with the limited taxes that should go with it. If you look at various Tea party canadates that were elected this last term they have only one think in common: the desire to cut spending.
Obama deserves the distrust he recieves. He is the worst President America has ever seen. They will be lucky to survive him.
On the subject of debt the republicans are the worse offendors and have been since Nixon, and while you might disagree with Obama's bailout spending it is no more than an extension of Bush's policy responce to the crash and so unavoidable, at least Obama required the auto makers to repay their loans or took the companies over, unlike Bush and the banks.
You're really argueing that Obama is the worst US president because he couldn't clean Bush's mess up quickly enough, hardly a sound observation.
So, because you dislike his policies as President (as an aside, thinking he is "the worst President America has ever seen" is, IMO, completely inane, even coming from a bible thumping Republican like yourself), your natural next step is to start questioning if he is actually an American citizen? Explain how that makes even a shred of sense..?
His borrowing and expansion of government has had no equal. He did this while protraying the greedy rich as the problem. At the same time he has allowed members of his own party to paint anyone as racist who questions him.
He is the worst because America has survived all the rest. What he has done in two short years will end with America not meeting their obligation both to their citizens and their creditors.
The Field Poll found that 67 percent of those surveyed believe Obama [was born in Hawaii], while 11 percent don't, and 22 percent aren't sure.
The percentage of nonbelievers and not-sures climbs to 58 percent (20 percent no, 38 percent don't know) among Republicans and a hefty 71 percent (22 percent no, 49 percent don't know) among respondents who said they identify "a lot" with the tea party movement.
I don't think there's a 1:1 relationship among Tea Party members and birthers (though there is a correlation), or a 1:1 relationship among birthers and racists.
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His borrowing and expansion of government has had no equal. He did this while protraying the greedy rich as the problem. At the same time he has allowed members of his own party to paint anyone as racist who questions him.
He is the worst because America has survived all the rest. What he has done in two short years will end with America not meeting their obligation both to their citizens and their creditors.
You didn't answer my question. You dislike Obama's policies and presidential reign, OK fine. Explain to me why, specifically, you think its rational to jump from those dislikes to then start questioning the mans place of birth (in the face of a boatload of credible evidence I might add)?
GWB had an amazingly low approval rating during his 2nd term, he was distrusted by a large portion of America, based off his policy, for years, but yet nobody ever thought to start questioning his place of birth. Why do you think that is? Do you think it's because Obama is black and has a funny name? Because if not, I would love to hear another rational reason...oh wait I forgot, it must be because of his "shady and well travelled past"...LOL
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"Man, so long as he remains free, has no more constant and agonizing anxiety than to find, as quickly as possible, someone to worship."
His borrowing and expansion of government has had no equal. He did this while protraying the greedy rich as the problem. At the same time he has allowed members of his own party to paint anyone as racist who questions him.
He is the worst because America has survived all the rest. What he has done in two short years will end with America not meeting their obligation both to their citizens and their creditors.
So you believe the United States of America will be destroyed in some sort of Soviet Union-esque collapse within the time it takes for Obama to either lose re-election or serve his legal term as President? Or do you just believe any active President is the worst in history until the time they are replaced and the US still exists?
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You didn't answer my question. You dislike Obama's policies and presidential reign, OK fine. Explain to me why, specifically, you think its rational to jump from those dislikes to then start questioning the mans place of birth (in the face of a boatload of credible evidence I might add)?
GWB had an amazingly low approval rating during his 2nd term, he was distrusted by a large portion of America, based off his policy, for years, but yet nobody ever thought to start questioning his place of birth. Why do you think that is? Do you think it's because Obama is black and has a funny name? Because if not, I would love to hear another rational reason...oh wait I forgot, it must be because of his "shady and well travelled past"...LOL
Obama's father was foreign and Obama spent an earliy part of his life in a foreign country. That country also happened to be Muslim. His name as well sounds foreign. Add to that the fact that he quickly came out of nowhere to gain the most powerful office in the world. People were curious about his past the same way people are curious about Prince William and His new wife.
Political foes of Obama began raising questions about his early years and specifically if he might not be a "natural born citizen". The questions sounded good enough to a little under half the country to deserve an answer. Little facts were given. There was conflicting reports such as a great Aunt in Kenya who thought Obama was born in Kenya.
Obama's supporters also quickly pulled the race card which caused even more distrust. After all what is Obama afraid of when he answers a question with "your a racist". He didn't personally but, his party did. That furthered the distrust and contempt people feel towards Obama. People don't like being disregarded as racist.
So you believe the United States of America will be destroyed in some sort of Soviet Union-esque collapse within the time it takes for Obama to either lose re-election or serve his legal term as President? Or do you just believe any active President is the worst in history until the time they are replaced and the US still exists?
I don't think the next President will be able to cover the debt load. What happens then will be painful one way or another.
Obama's father was foreign and Obama spent an earliy part of his life in a foreign country. That country also happened to be Muslim. His name as well sounds foreign. Add to that the fact that he quickly came out of nowhere to gain the most powerful office in the world. People were curious about his past the same way people are curious about Prince William and His new wife.
Political foes of Obama began raising questions about his early years and specifically if he might not be a "natural born citizen". The questions sounded good enough to a little under half the country to deserve an answer. Little facts were given. There was conflicting reports such as a great Aunt in Kenya who thought Obama was born in Kenya.
Obama's supporters also quickly pulled the race card which caused even more distrust. After all what is Obama afraid of when he answers a question with "your a racist". He didn't personally but, his party did. That furthered the distrust and contempt people feel towards Obama. People don't like being disregarded as racist.
True enough. It's also true that a little under half of this country is full blown f'in ######ed.
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So America will survive and your words were just hyperbole?
No they won't survive in the sense that that America will no longer be the America we all know. Poverty changes folks. Also American influence will be diminished to the point where a power struggle with China will emerge.
That could easily lead to a world wide conflict. Poverty doesn't cause war but, it does put a people in a mind set where their willing to pay the price and take the risk.
America has been a great super power. I'm afraid who ever replaces them won't be so benevolent. Also, any change in the world order always costs blood.
Obama's father was foreign and Obama spent an earliy part of his life in a foreign country. That country also happened to be Muslim. His name as well sounds foreign. Add to that the fact that he quickly came out of nowhere to gain the most powerful office in the world. People were curious about his past the same way people are curious about Prince William and His new wife.
Political foes of Obama began raising questions about his early years and specifically if he might not be a "natural born citizen". The questions sounded good enough to a little under half the country to deserve an answer. Little facts were given. There was conflicting reports such as a great Aunt in Kenya who thought Obama was born in Kenya.
Obama's supporters also quickly pulled the race card which caused even more distrust. After all what is Obama afraid of when he answers a question with "your a racist". He didn't personally but, his party did. That furthered the distrust and contempt people feel towards Obama. People don't like being disregarded as racist.
Little facts were given like a valid and legal document proving his citizenship and his nation of birth and checked and confirmed by a republican.
Only the truly ignorant and those who are poor losers believe in the nonsense you are defending.
Oh wait is this the global warming thread cause it really seems like the same discussion with the same people.
Not trusting Obama or anyone in government isn't racist or stupid.
One of my co-workers was a dyed in the wool Kennedy Democrat until 2008 when his choices for Presidential candidate was a black dude or a woman. He changed his tune immediately. That is stupid AND racist.
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The Tea party formed when Bush first started the bailouts and grew in strength as Obama began spending like no one before him. About the only thing they all believe in is a limited Federal government with the limited taxes that should go with it. If you look at various Tea party canadates that were elected this last term they have only one think in common: the desire to cut spending.
The Tea Party that began when Bush started the bailouts was quickly overwhelmed by hard right Republicans when they saw an angle to hide their social agenda under the guise of "cutting government spending". The first thing the newly elected Tea Party Republicans did in Montana's Legislature was go after social programs that weren't in line with the far right of the party. If you'd like a list of bills introduced by the long list of "one and done" freshman reps., I'll gladly provide it.
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Obama deserves the distrust he recieves. He is the worst President America has ever seen. They will be lucky to survive him.
He's no Millard Fillmore...
If then Senator Obama was not legally qualified for the Presidency, don't you think the Clinton political machine would have found it?
Perhaps they DID find something, and the Sec. of State job was just hush money...
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